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Old 09-04-2006, 09:59 PM
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I wonder if Jack Hanna is rubbing his hands together with glee at the increase in market share...
Not likely.

Here's his comment:

"Wild animal expert Jack Hanna, who frequently appears on TV with his subjects, offered praise for Irwin.

"Steve was one of these guys, we thought of him as invincible," Hanna, director emeritus of the Columbus (Ohio) Zoo and Aquarium, told ABC's "Good Morning America" Monday.

"The guy was incredible. His knowledge was incredible," Hanna said. "Some people that are doing this stuff are actors and that type of thing, but Steve was truly a zoologist, so to speak, a person who knew what he was doing. Yes, he did things a lot of people wouldn't do. I think he knew what he was doing."
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Old 09-04-2006, 11:00 PM
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Jack is slated to appear on Larry King Live tomorrow. Also, to appear will be Steve's manager and friend.
They'll probably be on tomorrow as well, but Jack Hanna and Jeff Corwin were on Larry King Live tonight talking about Steve Irwin.

From what i've heard about this situation was that, Steve Irwin was just swimming OVER the stingray, when the barb shot out and went up through his ribcage. Poor guy wasn't really "messing" with the animal, just trying to swim over it.
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Old 09-05-2006, 11:05 AM
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From what i've heard about this situation was that, Steve Irwin was just swimming OVER the stingray, when the barb shot out and went up through his ribcage. Poor guy wasn't really "messing" with the animal, just trying to swim over it.
That is crazy.

He has a history of getting too close and messing with animals. If he wasn't messing with this stingray, it is really sad that the one of few times that he was behaving himself, the animal "lashed out" and killed him.
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Old 09-05-2006, 12:31 PM
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There was a rumor circulating many years ago (I think back in 99/00) that he was dead. When I first saw the headline, I thought it may have been another rumor. Unfortunately, it's true. So sad.

Stingrays are poisonous. Their tail has venom. I was in the Caymen Islands a few years back and went swimming with them. The tour guides made sure everyone knew not to put their feet down when they were in the water. Most humans who are stung by them are stung through their foot.
There are several types of stingrays, the one that he was stung by was much larger than the ones that tend to borrow on the ocean floor close to the beach....the one he was stung by has a stinger about a foot long...he probably would have died anyway whether or not it was venomous b/c the sting actually pierced a hole through his heart.

He was practically swimming on top of it at the time of the sting....so anything that you get that close to, you definately increase your chances for attack.
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Old 09-05-2006, 01:30 PM
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Apparently his whole death was caught on tape and they turned the footage over to the police...being realistic...how long before you think it will be on Youtube or something like that

Irwin pulled stingray barb from his chest
Ian Gerard and Tony Koch
September 05, 2006
A LIFE-long friend of Steve Irwin today told how the Crocodile Hunter pulled a deadly stingray barb from his own chest before losing consciousness and dying.

Friend John Stainton said he had viewed footage of his friend's last moments and the images were "shocking".

"It's a very hard thing to watch because you're actually witnessing somebody die ... and it's terrible," he said.

"It shows that Steve came over the top of the ray and the tail came up, and spiked him here (in the chest), and he pulled it out and the next minute he's gone. That was it. The cameraman had to shut down."

The footage of the fatal attack on the Great Barrier Reef has been handed to Queensland police as fans worldwide come to grips with the "freak" death.

Irwin, 44, was killed almost instantly when the stingray stabbed him in the heart with its poisonous 20cm barb as he snorkelled off Port Douglas, in north Queensland, yesterday morning.

As tributes and salutes poured in from around the world, Queensland Premier Peter Beattie said Irwin would get a state funeral if that's what his family wanted.

On the election campaign trail in Hervey Bay, Mr Beattie said the Governemnt was considering the possibility of naming a national park after the flamboyant naturalist.

"We want to make certain that ... there's a fitting long-term tribute to Steve Irwin and it may well be we can do all sorts of things like name a national park, we could have particular awards, all sorts of things," the Premier said.

Irwin's American-born wife, Terri, was trekking in Tasmania's Cradle Mountain and Lake St Clair National Park when the news broke of her husband's death and last night flew back to Queensland with her two children Bindi, 8, and Bob, 2.

The diveboat's owner Peter West also saw the footage.

"There was no blood in the water, it was not that obvious ... something happened with this animal that made it rear and he was at the wrong position at the wrong time and if it hit him anywhere else we would not be talking about a fatality," said Mr West.

Irwin was shooting a documentary on dangerous marine life, in shallow water at Batt Reef, about 32 nautical miles offshore, at about 11am.

Tributes poured in from around the world for Irwin, a renowned environmentalist who was estimated to be earning more than $4million a year from his Queensland reptile park, Australia Zoo.

Footage of the attack shows Irwin swimming above a 2.5m stingray before it turns on him and sends a poisonous barb through his heart.

Irwin was pulled from the water by a cameraman and a crewman, put on an inflatable tender and taken to a support boat about 500m away.

Crewmembers say he was barely conscious in the minutes after the sting and died as his production team rushed him to his vessel, Croc One, and to a nearby island for emergency treatment.

A charter dive boat crew desperately tried to revive him on the beach, but were unsuccessful and he was pronounced dead shortly afterwards by Queensland Rescue Service officers, who had flown to the area by helicopter.

Irwin's body was last night flown to Cairns where a post-mortem examination this morning confirmed Irwin was killed when the poisonous barb on the stingray's tail pierced his chest. Police have seized all available evidence and interviewed witnesses in order to prepare a report for the Coroner.

A coronial inquest is expected.

Producer, director and life-long friend John Stainton yesterday said Irwin did not provoke the stingray and was simply swimming above it when he was attacked.

"He came over the top of a stingray and the stingray barb went up and into his chest and into his heart," Stainton said.

"It's likely that he possibly died instantly when the barb hit him, and I hope he felt no pain."

One of Irwin's contemporaries, internationally known cameraman and spearfisherman Ben Cropp, was in his own boat off Port Douglas when Irwin was killed.

"I have just spoken to a cameraman friend who was there and has seen the footage," Mr Cropp told The Australian last night.

"He was up in the shallow water, probably 1.5m to 2m deep, following a bull ray which was about a metre across the body - probably weighing about 100kg, and it had quite a large spine.

"The cameraman was filming in the water."

Mr Cropp said the stingray was spooked and went into defensive mood.

"It probably felt threatened because Steve was alongside and there was the cameraman ahead, and it felt there was danger and it baulked.

"It stopped and went into a defensive mode and swung its tail with the spike.

"Steve unfortunately was in a bad position and copped it.

"I have had that happen to me, and I can visualise it - when a ray goes into defensive, you get out of the way.

"Steve was so close he could not get away, so if you can imagine it - being right beside the ray and it swinging its spine upwards from underneath Steve - and it hit him.

"I have seen that sort of reaction with rays - with their tail breaking the water, such is the force."

Internationally renowned jellyfish sting expert Jamie Seymour was on board Irwin's boat at the time.

Irwin had decided yesterday morning to shoot a segment of film on stingrays for a new television program that will be hosted by his daughter, Bindi.

Surf Lifesavers national marine stinger adviser Lisa-Ann Gershwin said there had only been 17 fatal stingray attacks worldwide.
"I think it's just an extraordinary freak accident that has happened to his heart," she said.

"A lot of people will be afraid by this, but they need to keep in mind that this was a freak accident, it was a terrible tragedy but it is not common."

Dr Gershwin said stingray stings to the legs or arms were common and, while painful, were not normally considered dangerous. She said there were many different types of stingrays, with barbs on their tails up to 30cm long, and they poisoned victims with a range of toxins.

Mr West said the barb was like a "very rough knife" and while fatal stingray stings had been known to occur, filming and swimming alongside the animal was commonplace among marine filmmakers.

Mr Cropp said he was told that the strike was "close to the heart and Steve had a cardiac arrest".

"At first they treated him as being wounded, but he didn't survive unfortunately," he said.

"The second boat in attendance raced in to give assistance and they radioed for help.

"They went into Low Isle and met the chopper which took Steve's body out."

In September 2004, Mr Cropp was attacked by a tiger shark on Bott Reef. "The rays in Australia and particularly in the north are not like those on the Cayman Islands, which are very quiet and allow people to ride on their backs," he said.

"At this time of the year they are on the lookout for tiger sharks and are very frisky.

"They are not aggressive. In fact they are very timid, but they defend themselves by throwing their tail spine upwards, and there is a spike on the tip about eight inches long which they can use like a dagger."

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Old 09-05-2006, 09:20 PM
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should the tape be released?

http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=232744&GT1=7703

"If I'm going to die," the late "Crocodile Hunter" Steve Irwin said in a 2002 interview, "at least I want it filmed."

He spoke with his usual humor, and clearly had no idea what would happen four years later. But the fact is, a tape does exist of Irwin's fatal encounter with a stingray while filming a TV show. And so the question arises: In the age of instant Web videos, might it get out? And in the broader sense, is making footage of a death public ever justified?

For its part, Discovery Communications, the network where Irwin became a star, said there was absolutely no truth to rumors that the footage, now in possession of police in Queensland, Australia, might be released.

But that doesn't mean there aren't concerns that someone could attempt to get their hands on it and publicize it for lurid means — or just to show they had it. That, said media analyst Martin Kaplan, would be tantamount to a snuff film.

... rest of the article on the link...
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Old 09-05-2006, 09:32 PM
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Sad, but really, he did know these animals were dangerous.
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Old 09-06-2006, 12:42 AM
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I'm confused!!!

I don't know if i'm reading the article correctly or not, but how could he die instantly but still pull the barb out himself?
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Old 09-06-2006, 01:37 AM
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Some very touching cartoons on/about Steve Irwin here:
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Old 09-06-2006, 09:23 AM
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I believe he pulled the barb because it was poisonous. The longer it was in his system, the more poison he'd get. I don't think he could have known that it was imbedded in his heart. The heart itself doesn't have nerve endings to feel that sort of thing.

I believe the family has said that they'd want the film released.
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Sad, but really, he did know these animals were dangerous.

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I still can't believe he pulled out the barb. You never pull out something you're stabbed with!

Agreed, and agreed. Actually, that was my first thought when I heard about it...why did he pull anything out of his heart so he could bleed to death???
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I'm confused!!!

I don't know if i'm reading the article correctly or not, but how could he die instantly but still pull the barb out himself?
He pulled out the barb and then lost consciousness and died.
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Irwin, 44, was killed almost instantly when the stingray stabbed him in the heart with its poisonous 20cm barb as he snorkelled off Port Douglas, in north Queensland, yesterday morning.


"Almost instantly." In other words, it all happened relatively quickly.
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Irwin, 44, was killed almost instantly when the stingray stabbed him in the heart with its poisonous 20cm barb as he snorkelled off Port Douglas, in north Queensland, yesterday morning.


"Almost instantly." In other words, it all happened relatively quickly.

Ah ok. Thanks I went back and re read that article til I understood it! lol. I guess i'm a little slow at times

But poor Steve
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Old 09-06-2006, 12:16 PM
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It would be informative to know if actually pulling barb out was a good idea or caused more damage to his heart.

Also, if a poisonous penetration of the heart by itself would have been fatal had the barb stayed in place until it could be removed by doctors.

People have survived heart penetrations by bullets, knives, etc., depending on the initial damage.
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