Fellow BGLO Greeks...

[Rain Man]

Originally posted by mccoyred:
We need to keep in mind that NOONE IS ENTITLED TO MEMBERSHIP. I do acknowledge that over time orgs need to change to keep up and not to become obsolete. However, I beleive that I can speak for both DST and AKA when I say "EVEN AFTER 87 AND 92 YEARS, RESPECTIVELY, PEOPLE ARE STILL BEATING DOWN OUR DOORS TO GET IN". Personally, I don't see a need at this time to change these policies in regards to Associates degree holders who do not wish to pursue a four-year degree.

Why don't you see that need regarding Associate degree recipients seeking membership? I am curious.

While I am not arguing your initial point, I think your reply begs my original question, and for that matter, N4L's initial question that sparked this discussion.

I don't mean to be persistent in my inquiries on aspects of BGLO lifestyle, but all too often, when I ask a thought-provoking question to that regard, I get responses that do everything except answer my question(s)asked.

Not to sound rude to any BGLO members who respond to my questions, which BTW, I thank you all for doing, but I strongly ask that you please do not beg my questions, but to answer them as directly and as honestly as you can, and if you can give reasons to support your responses, that would help a lot.

Peace and luv this holiday season

Rain Man

[AKA2D '91]

I don't feel our membership policies should be modified in that regard. MEMBERSHIP is PRIVILEGED! NOT FOR EVERYONE!

The only thing one has to do who is matriculating at a CC/JC is apply/transfer to a 4-year institution and go from there.


Do you feel the Bible should be modified?

[Rain Man]

Originally posted by AKA2D '91:
I don't feel our membership policies should be modified in that regard. MEMBERSHIP is PRIVILEGED! NOT FOR EVERYONE!

The only thing one has to do who is matriculating at a CC/JC is apply/transfer to a 4-year institution and go from there.


Do you feel the Bible should be modified?

Interesting point, AKA2D

But lemme ask you this. If the sole intent of the prospective going from a CC/JC to a 4-year school, or a JC/CC graduate enrolling in a 4-year school was just to pledge, wouldn't that raise up red flags with you and your chapter sorors? I know that BGLO members strongly discourage students transferring schools solely to pledge. One BGLO website said that should a student do such a thing, they have a lot of soul-searching to do b/c at best they are unsure of the real reason why they are in college.

What does that tell a JC/CC grad who already got it together that does not need a 4-year degree? That it's okay to circumvent the purpose to attend college just to meet a membership criteria? That a 2-year degree is a trivial achievement in the eyes of your fellow frat/sorors, and your founders? Or more to the point, that a 2-year degree just isn't good enough to join?

Hey, I'm just, as these young folx say, "keepin' it real".

Again, please do not beg my questions, but answer them as honestly as you can.

Rain Man

[Rain Man]

Originally posted by AKA2D '91:
I don't feel our membership policies should be modified in that regard. MEMBERSHIP is PRIVILEGED! NOT FOR EVERYONE!

The only thing one has to do who is matriculating at a CC/JC is apply/transfer to a 4-year institution and go from there.


Do you feel the Bible should be modified?

I apologize, AKA for not responding to your second question.

I will just say this as far as should the Bible be modified:

I will not dignify that with an answer, simply because comparing the Bible to a BGLO's membership policies IMHO is comparing apples to oranges.

'Nuff said.

Rain Man

[PositivelyAKA]

Originally posted by Rain Man:
Should sucessful junior college graduates be "penalized" from membership because of a stigma that a 2-year degree does not carry the weight of a 4-year degree?

I ask this not only as a Bachelor degree recipient, but also as an Associate degree recipient.

Lemme know what you think.

Rain Man

Rain Man in all fairness to Nupe4Life's orginial question, which has been answered adequately i might add by various sorors, i think you are taking this conversation to another level with your constant questioning of our national/historic policies (AKA and DST). we are being most gracious in even answering as we do not have to. As has been stated before, Membership is Selective in all 4 organizations, period. There are other groups like the Sigma Gamma Rhos and the Zetas that offer women who do not desire/or can not afford etc etc. to attend a 4 year program the opportunity to join their aux groups to do service etc., in addition there are many women organizations that have requirements these women can meet, many many 4 year college trained women still do not make the cut into AKA or DST, so why should we lower the standards for non 4 year students, who by choice choose to pursue other avenues that do not qualify them for membership in our sorority. that is not our promblem. that's life Rain Man, for jobs, loans, scholarships, etc. if you don't qualify you don't get it, unless you're Bush

[mccoyred]

ROFLMAO!!

Originally posted by PositivelyAKA:
that's life Rain Man, for jobs, loans, scholarships, etc. if you don't qualify you don't get it, unless you're Bush

'Nuff Said.



------------------
MCCOYRED

Dynamic
Salient
Temperate

Mu Psi '86
BaltCo Alumnae

[CutiePie2000]

Originally posted by AKA2D '91:
Do you feel the Bible should be modified?

In a way, the Bible has been modified, as there are many different translations:
1. The King James Version
2. The New International Version
3. The New Living Translation

If you read them side by side, the idea is the same, but expressed quite differently.

Also, the Bible was translated from Latin, so I'm certain that all the different language translations (be it French, German, Italian, Polish, Hindi or Urdu) would have slightly different 'nuances' due to the language in the way that the idea is expressed.

[AKA2D '91]

I know of the MANY versions, like you said, they are basically saying the SAME thing!
BUT THE CONTEXT HAS NOT BEEN CHANGED (MODIFIED)! IT'S STILL THE SAME STORY!

In this case, RAINMAN wants our orgs to CHANGE because someone chose NOT to work towards a BACHELORS degree.

THE BIBLE, whatever VERSION you live by HAS the SAME thing going on. Within these versions, words have been substituted/synonyms used, but it still is SAYING THE SAME THING....

So, the Bible has been TRANSLATED DIFFERENTLY, BUT NOT CHANGED, NOR MODIFIED!

That's why I asked, would one (he) modify the Bible because of the CHANGING TIMES, etc?

NO!

[This message has been edited by AKA2D '91 (edited December 21, 2000).]

[Rain Man]

Originally posted by AKA2D '91:
What it says Rain Man is that IF ONE WANTS SOMETHING...HE OR SHE WILL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET IT!

NOW, THAT I ASKED YOU A QUESTION, REGARDLESS IF IT IS APPLES AND ORANGES, PEAS, OR CUCUMBERS...WHY CAN'T YOU ANSWER IT? TIME AFTER TIME, YOU PUT YOURSELF IN A POSITION TO ASK SOMETHING AND YOU EXPECT OTHERS TO ANSWER YOUR WAY OR IT'S THE HIGHWAY...SO WHY CAN'T YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION?

WOULD YOU MODIFY THE BIBLE?

SAME SCRIPT...DIFFERENT CAST!

YOU SAY YOU HAVE AN ASSOCIATES, THEN WHY DID YOU FEEL THE NEED TO OBTAIN YOUR BACHELOR'S DEGREE? WAS YOUR AS/AA NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU?

I STILL SAY...IF YOU WANT SOMETHING...YOU WILL MEET THE REQUIREMENTS!

EVERYONE MAKES CHOICES IN HIS OR HER LIFE...IF AN ASSOCIATES DEGREE IS ALL HE OR SHE WANTS...THEN THAT'S IT! THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT AN ASSOCIATES WILL NOT GET YOU...

'NUFF SAID!

All right, AKA2d, I will answer your question:

Would I modify the Bible? NO, I wouldn't. But I would not dare compare the Bible to any secular document, not even the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence. Hope that answers your 1st question. I still see no relevance in that question.

Why did I feel the need to get my Bachelor's? This is a true story. Back in '94 I announced to my church congregation that I would not be pursuing a 4-year degree. Well, after service, a little girl no more than 9 years old (and didn't know me from Adam) pulled me aside and told me that I should go get my 4-year degree because her grandfather dropped out of school and regretted it for the rest of his life. It broke my heart hearing this from a young child. It took me 5 1/2 years to fulfill her wish. While I never saw the girl again, if I ever see her, I will give her my degree as a thank-you gift for reaching out to me.

Again, AKA2D, you are not answering my question, you are using rhetoric and canned responses; I see very little original thought.

BTW, do you havta shout at me? In the words of Bill Murray in Scrooged when the Ghost of Christmas Present (Carol Kane) shouted at him:

"I may be invisible, but I am NOT DEAF!!"

Rain Man

[AKA2D '91]

I DON'T KNOW, NOR CARE WHAT OR WHO YOU ARE...

IF I USE CAPS, THAT DOES NOT MEAN I AM SHOUTING! DUH! I CAN AND WILL USE THEM AS LONG AS THIS PC ALLOWS.

IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE RESPONSES, SINCE THEY CONTAIN SO MUCH RHETORIC, YOU SHOULD BE FINISHED WITH THIS THREAD.

THAT WAY YOU WON'T HAVE TO RESPOND TO MY "CANNED" RESPONSES.

[Rain Man]

Originally posted by PositivelyAKA:
Rain Man in all fairness to Nupe4Life's orginial question, which has been answered adequately i might add by various sorors, i think you are taking this conversation to another level with your constant questioning of our national/historic policies (AKA and DST). we are being most gracious in even answering as we do not have to. As has been stated before, Membership is Selective in all 4 organizations, period. There are other groups like the Sigma Gamma Rhos and the Zetas that offer women who do not desire/or can not afford etc etc. to attend a 4 year program the opportunity to join their aux groups to do service etc., in addition there are many women organizations that have requirements these women can meet, many many 4 year college trained women still do not make the cut into AKA or DST, so why should we lower the standards for non 4 year students, who by choice choose to pursue other avenues that do not qualify them for membership in our sorority. that is not our promblem. that's life Rain Man, for jobs, loans, scholarships, etc. if you don't qualify you don't get it, unless you're Bush

Positively, let's get one thing straight.

I am not singling out AKA and DST with my questions, I usually ask NPHC orgs as a whole, it just so happens that AKAs and DSTs have been my most frequent respondents.

You always have an option not to respond to a question, which I understand wholeheartedly, but please do not present an attitude that you (or others) are doing me a favor by responding.

I am not asking ANY org to change their policies, what I am asking when I present the questions that I do is that they take off their blinders and present some original thought, not some canned, Spam-tasting rhetoric. I have been in the Greek game for 9 years and I know a lot more about Black Greek life than arguably, a lot of BGLO members themselves who has been in it 2 and maybe even 3 times as long. So when I ask something, it is not to step on toes, it is to create a new perspective and to broaden insight, and maybe even to force people to think outside of this BGLO rhetorical "box" that they seem to have been indoctrinated to respond in.

I will continue to ask such question b/c I feel that they are valid. If you take offense, please put on a tougher skin or just not respond. But all I ask is that if you do respond, please answer the question at hand, not skirt the issue.

Again, Positively, all I got from you was rhetoric, not an answer.

Rain Man

[Rain Man]

Originally posted by AKA2D '91:
I DON'T KNOW, NOR CARE WHAT OR WHO YOU ARE...

IF I USE CAPS, THAT DOES NOT MEAN I AM SHOUTING! DUH! I CAN AND WILL USE THEM AS LONG AS THIS PC ALLOWS.

IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE RESPONSES, SINCE THEY CONTAIN SO MUCH RHETORIC, YOU SHOULD BE FINISHED WITH THIS THREAD.

THAT WAY YOU WON'T HAVE TO RESPOND TO MY "CANNED" RESPONSES.

My, are we a little spitfire today? Typical response from a defensive individual.

To quote a tipsy Alex Trebek from "High Rollers"

"It's a shame, it's a shame, it's a shame."

[MIDWESTDIVA]

Thank you McCoyred for answering my question.

This question is basically for Nupe4Life.

Did you really think that members of organizations that do not have affiliates/auxillaries would be open minded to such a concept?

I don't. That would be like me asking some Kappas "Do you think it would be beneficial to your organization to offer honorary memberships?" How many Kappas would say yes to that? My guess would be few or none. Most Kappas are proud of the fact that there is only one way into their organization.

For whatever reason, most Greeks are only able to see things from the perspective of their own organization. That must be why there are 4 NPHC sororities and 5 NPHC fraternities to choose from.

------------------
"If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen." ~Harry S. Truman~

[This message has been edited by MIDWESTDIVA (edited December 21, 2000).]

[AKA2D '91]

Originally posted by Rain Man:
My, are we a little spitfire today? Typical response from a defensive individual.

To quote a tipsy Alex Trebek from "High Rollers"

"It's a shame, it's a shame, it's a shame."

COMEDY, PURE COMEDY!

'NUFF SAID!

[AKA2D '91]

BTW, I AM AN OFFENSIVE KIND OF GIRL...