Israel at War?

shinerbock · #1 07-13-2006, 03:29 PM

What are everyone's thoughts on this. I like the recent political discussion, and this may be one of the most critical periods in foreign policy in recent memory. Considering Israel is fighting a war on basically two fronts, the U.S. is still engaged in Iraq, and the entire world is concerned over Iran and North Korea, it seems a topic worth discussing. The EU said Israel is being too harsh, while the U.S. is of course support the Israelis. Given that Lebanon is now firing rockets into Israeli cities, I think the EU may have spoken early. Thoughts?

sdsuchelle · #2 07-13-2006, 06:32 PM

This is really scaring me. :-/

I guess I don't feel I should form opinions because I don't really know a LOT about what's going on... but sometimes I wish I could go over to Israel/Palestine and teach them how to share. Seriously.

Kevin · #3 07-13-2006, 06:37 PM

It's about time that there were serious consequences for these terrorist group leaders. If we're lucky, a lot of them will end up dead, or in prison before someone calls a truce.

I'm really not sure what Israel's end game here is, except to show these people that there are consequences for their attacks. Hamas has been committing these acts of war for years now. Sometimes, when you mess with the bull, you get the horns.

Rudey · #4 07-13-2006, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ktsnake

It's about time that there were serious consequences for these terrorist group leaders. If we're lucky, a lot of them will end up dead, or in prison before someone calls a truce.

I'm really not sure what Israel's end game here is, except to show these people that there are consequences for their attacks. Hamas has been committing these acts of war for years now. Sometimes, when you mess with the bull, you get the horns.

The end game is getting back its citizens. The end game is telling the world that Israel left both Gaza and Lebanon and it got attacked by both of them. At any point they could return Israeli citizens that they kidnapped but they haven't.

-Rudey

Rudey · #5 07-13-2006, 06:42 PM

There is no room for discussion about this.

Iran and Syria arm terror groups that kill people all over the world. Two of those terrorist groups are Hamas and Hezbollah. Those two groups kidnapped Israelis. Those two groups are responsible for everything thereafter. If the populations support them, then they should be willing to accept what happens to them also.

Outside of Syria and Iran, a lot of Arab countries have criticized the two terrorist groups.

I hope the Israelis just drop a few bombs over the Syrian president's house and in Qom in Iran without France and Russia being pussies.

-Rudey

shinerbock · #6 07-13-2006, 06:46 PM

I'm surprised to see the support for Israel. When I heard what the EU said, I thought the complete opposite...I'm surprised Israel has had this much restraint over the years. I feel bad for Lebanon, they are truly under seige, but I do not disagree with Israel for taking action. What does concern me, and I'm not sure if everyone has heard this since it just recently came out, was the rather haunting warning from Iran about the response they will issue if Israel does bomb Syria. Although, in truth, I don't fear for Israel, I think everyone agrees they can handle themselves.

Rudey · #7 07-13-2006, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

I'm surprised to see the support for Israel. When I heard what the EU said, I thought the complete opposite...I'm surprised Israel has had this much restraint over the years. I feel bad for Lebanon, they are truly under seige, but I do not disagree with Israel for taking action. What does concern me, and I'm not sure if everyone has heard this since it just recently came out, was the rather haunting warning from Iran about the response they will issue if Israel does bomb Syria. Although, in truth, I don't fear for Israel, I think everyone agrees they can handle themselves.

Who do you feel sorry for in Lebanon? The dwindling Christian population that was killed off and forced to leave and has no power now? Maybe. The country that chose not to put its own troops along the border with Israel and disarm Hezbollah? Not so much. The Christian population is small, the Muslim population is big and they support the terrorists.

Israel is attacking roads and airports that Hezbollah would use to move the kidnapped Israelis into Iran. It's so sad that they'd just do that.

-Rudey

sdsuchelle · #8 07-13-2006, 07:14 PM

Argghhh, a friend of a friend is stuck in Lebanon right now (he's American). Holy shit.

moe.ron · #9 07-14-2006, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Rudey

The Christian population is small, the Muslim population is big and they support the terrorists.

100% of the Lebanese Muslim population support terrorists, right Rudey?

Those big bad Muslims are everywhere. Be prepared to be beheaded.

AnchorAlum · #10 07-21-2006, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudey

There is no room for discussion about this.

Iran and Syria arm terror groups that kill people all over the world. Two of those terrorist groups are Hamas and Hezbollah. Those two groups kidnapped Israelis. Those two groups are responsible for everything thereafter. If the populations support them, then they should be willing to accept what happens to them also.

Outside of Syria and Iran, a lot of Arab countries have criticized the two terrorist groups.

I hope the Israelis just drop a few bombs over the Syrian president's house and in Qom in Iran without France and Russia being pussies.

-Rudey

I'm on Rudey's team for this one, kids. Israel MUST take out Hezbollah, not just for their sake, but for ours as well.
They're a tool for Iran and Syria, and the reason their cannot be a next time for this kind of flare up is that in three or four years they will have weaponry that will not just hit a few buildings in Haifa, it will cause the crater that USED to be Haifa to glow in the dark.
And then it will be Katie bar the freaking door.

texas*princess · #11 07-23-2006, 09:46 AM

So all of this stuff is really scary. I hope all of the Canadians, Americans, other foreign people to those countries, find a quick safe way to get out of there because they're just blowing each other up it seems

Rudey · #12 07-23-2006, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by texas*princess

So all of this stuff is really scary. I hope all of the Canadians, Americans, other foreign people to those countries, find a quick safe way to get out of there because they're just blowing each other up it seems

Ummm most of them aren't "Foreign" to those countries and are Arabs that also have citizenship in another country.

-Rudey

Tom Earp · #13 07-23-2006, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by AnchorAlum

I'm on Rudey's team for this one, kids. Israel MUST take out Hezbollah, not just for their sake, but for ours as well.
They're a tool for Iran and Syria, and the reason their cannot be a next time for this kind of flare up is that in three or four years they will have weaponry that will not just hit a few buildings in Haifa, it will cause the crater that USED to be Haifa to glow in the dark.
And then it will be Katie bar the freaking door.

While I am afraid You are right on this, the two major Countrys who are backing them will forever be a thorn in the side of the whole Middle East!

Unless the Arab Nations put a leash on them, there will always be problems. and one would think that they should not screw with Israel as they have tried and got thier asses kicked!

Rudey · #14 07-23-2006, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Earp

While I am afraid You are right on this, the two major Countrys who are backing them will forever be a thorn in the side of the whole Middle East!

Unless the Arab Nations put a leash on them, there will always be problems. and one would think that they should not screw with Israel as they have tried and got thier asses kicked!

They are a thorn in our side too. Iran and Syria arm terrorists and send their murderers into Iraq to kill US troops. Also Hezbollah murdered several hundred US Marines in the 1980s.

When this is done, Israel will have finally done what the European and UN pussies never had the balls to do. And while the Israelis are doing that, we Americans are busy beating the European pussies in the Tour De France.

-Rudey

RACooper · #15 07-27-2006, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

I find it ironic you consider the deaths of those UN officials to be so much more important than the thousands of Israeli deaths that the UN continuously ignores and condones.

Yes to me the officer that was the Lt. in charge of my infantry training platoon, and the Cpt. that commanded my company in Bosnia is much more personal and therefore important. Paeta was an extremely intelligent and dedicated officer that I and others will mourn the loss of, a man who always made an effort to protect the innocent, and who wasn't afraid to backdown in that goal. Paeta came from a long military line, and he was proud of his families history as honourable soldiers - in fact his grandfather was executed by the Germans for helping organize the evacuation of Jews from Denmark.

I can tell you that he took very seriously his duty as an observer on the Lebanese-Israeli border; his emails always talk of his frustration in dealing with the intractability and hostility of the IDF, and his overwhelming disgust with the hatred of the Hezbollah radicals... but he never let this stop him from trying to humanize each side for the other. I can also tell you that he would methodically record and report any observation (he believe in the theory that too many reports was better than too little), so I'm sure more and more info about the bombardment and fatal strike will come to light.

So again I don't think its' ironic at all that I consider the death of this unarmed and trapped UN observer, Canadian soldier, and email-pal a great tragedy... made more all the more galling in the criminal means of his death.