Alleged Rape of NCCU Student: (Duke Scandal)

[nikki1920]

No one is arguing that fact, but did the DA say that a rape did, in fact, occur? Dook (I went to UNC and Duke will always be Dook to me) did state, I believe, that they will not impede Durham County Police in their investigation. I dont think anyone is hiding from the investigation, they are just being extra careful to not make it any harder or to cause evidence to be thrown out on technicalities.

I was in Raleigh this past weekend and Dook is NOT taking this incident lightly.

[Gods Ivy]

Originally posted by nikki1920
No one is arguing that fact, but did the DA say that a rape did, in fact, occur? Dook (I went to UNC and Duke will always be Dook to me) did state, I believe, that they will not impede Durham County Police in their investigation. I dont think anyone is hiding from the investigation, they are just being extra careful to not make it any harder or to cause evidence to be thrown out on technicalities.

I was in Raleigh this past weekend and Dook is NOT taking this incident lightly.

The DA said that a rape DID occur. They just need to find out which of the males participated. That woman had bruises and marks of forced entry on her body and that is what led the the DA stating that a rape DID in fact occur but they have to find our now who participated.

[BLUTANG]

please excuse the rambling...

I am not an advocate of violence against women OR blaming the victim, but maybe i'm falling victim to the tricks of the media. I just feel "funny" about this whole thing.

Let me start by saying i graduated from NCCU in 2001, i also took courses at duke & LIVED in durham during my college years. I was an ACTIVE member of the student body at NCCU and I have partied on Duke's campus, at the row of houses by the wall... I know the area well.

I also know the area well enough to know YOU DON'T GO TO NO PARTY BY YOURSELF. No offense to durham natives, but it's not the safest place in the world (i'm from pg and sayin somewhere ain't safe... ) So even if you're performing for "duke students" you STILL need to be cautious... just like you didn't know there are ~40 men there, you didn't know IF the "party" was really for students or not. There are boarding houses and other private residences all up and down that street... just cause it's close to campus DOES NOT mean you are dealing with students.

I feel bad for even typing this, but there is a difference between a "dancer" who "performs" at a club, and a "dancer" who "performs" for private, off-site events. I spoke with a guy friend who still lives in Durham and he said would assume you take ONE male with you... someone who can watch out for you (he doesn't even have to be big) or in a worst case scenario - someone to be your one SOBER witness.

Although no one deserves to be beaten, battered, or humiliated - we all need to be careful and make better decisions.

IF the events occured as the victim claims, i feel the responsible parties should be punished SEVERLY, and pursued as a violent act as well as a hate crime.

either way, there needs to be some sort of "peace offering" between duke and the city of Durham. I was trying to explain to my bf that although Durham has two universities, it is NOT a college town (as compared to chapel hill or college park, etc). Unspoken tensions have existied long enough, and whether people ACKNOWLEDGE it or not - race matters.

[Gods Ivy]

Originally posted by BLUTANG
please excuse the rambling...

I am not an advocate of violence against women OR blaming the victim, but maybe i'm falling victim to the tricks of the media. I just feel "funny" about this whole thing.

Let me start by saying i graduated from NCCU in 2001, i also took courses at duke & LIVED in durham during my college years. I was an ACTIVE member of the student body at NCCU and I have partied on Duke's campus, at the row of houses by the wall... I know the area well.

I also know the area well enough to know YOU DON'T GO TO NO PARTY BY YOURSELF. No offense to durham natives, but it's not the safest place in the world (i'm from pg and sayin somewhere ain't safe... ) So even if you're performing for "duke students" you STILL need to be cautious... just like you didn't know there are ~40 men there, you didn't know IF the "party" was really for students or not. There are boarding houses and other private residences all up and down that street... just cause it's close to campus DOES NOT mean you are dealing with students.

I feel bad for even typing this, but there is a difference between a "dancer" who "performs" at a club, and a "dancer" who "performs" for private, off-site events. I spoke with a guy friend who still lives in Durham and he said would assume you take ONE male with you... someone who can watch out for you (he doesn't even have to be big) or in a worst case scenario - someone to be your one SOBER witness.

Although no one deserves to be beaten, battered, or humiliated - we all need to be careful and make better decisions.

IF the events occured as the victim claims, i feel the responsible parties should be punished SEVERLY, and pursued as a violent act as well as a hate crime.

either way, there needs to be some sort of "peace offering" between duke and the city of Durham. I was trying to explain to my bf that although Durham has two universities, it is NOT a college town (as compared to chapel hill or college park, etc). Unspoken tensions have existied long enough, and whether people ACKNOWLEDGE it or not - race matters.

Wow so much to say so little time. Would you have the same opinion if it were your family? No, you would be pissed off. With all that you said you contradict yourself because you ARE blaming the victim. If she is a stripper or dancer, she makes her money dancing in safe or unsafe neighborhoods for large or small crowds of men. If I have to make money for my education, I am going to make my money. We really don't know the exact circumstance but to blatantly say she should have been more cautious is BLAMING the victim. If you are leaving a club by yourself in a rough neighborhood and get raped should you not have been at the club by yourself? You should have the option or right to do so. Come on! If a person makes their money off entertainment that is what they are going to do; just my opinion and WE ARE ALL entitled to one. But I live in PG also and I know of places where it is rough but like you said, you live there. Just because you do live there and fall victim to a crime, do you deserve it because "blaming the victim's theory" would say you could live somewhere else and be safe.

[Bamboozled]

Originally posted by Gods Ivy
On another note, love your quote too by the way, Bamboozled.

[Gods Ivy]

Originally posted by Bamboozled

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[Bamboozled]

Originally posted by Gods Ivy
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Got it. The confused me because that smiley usually denotes sarcasm.

[laylo]

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0405061duke1.html

The police found this team member's e-mail saying that he was going to bring some strippers over and kill them.

[JustMyself]

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/5476942

[BLUTANG]

Gods Ivy, i feel what you're saying... i WOULD be pissed if it was my friend or family member.

I don't think i'm blaming the victim by saying we ALL should make better decisions. I know I've put myself in unsafe situations and it's by the grace of GOD that I'm not a statistic. I know that we ALL need to be cognizant of our surroundings and decide what's a worthwhile risk.

It's messed up all around, but NO MATTER HOW WRONG THOSE BOYS ARE - her profession will cast a shadow on her character, if not the entire case.

[JustMyself]

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/5476942

The saga continues

[jubilance1922]

Originally posted by BLUTANG
Gods Ivy, i feel what you're saying... i WOULD be pissed if it was my friend or family member.

I don't think i'm blaming the victim by saying we ALL should make better decisions. I know I've put myself in unsafe situations and it's by the grace of GOD that I'm not a statistic. I know that we ALL need to be cognizant of our surroundings and decide what's a worthwhile risk.

It's messed up all around, but NO MATTER HOW WRONG THOSE BOYS ARE - her profession will cast a shadow on her character, if not the entire case.

I'm offended by your posts. No matter what a woman's job is, not matter what she's wearing, what she's doing, where she was, A WOMAN DOES NOT DESERVE TO BE SEXUALLY ASSAULTED! She could have been walking around town naked, that does not mean that deserves it or that their behavior is appropriate. If a woman does not give active consent, its sexual assault. It doesn't matter if she did something before or if she's a dancer or if she's a secretary.

It really blows my mind that folks still walk around with the atttitude that somehow a woman provokes sexual assault. No wonder women don't come forward.

[AKA2D '91]

http://www.through-a-glass-darkly.bl...our_money_.htm

[SKEEphistAKAte]

Originally posted by laylo


http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0405061duke1.html

The police found this team member's e-mail saying that he was going to bring some strippers over and kill them.

Disturbing and Disgusting.

[Gods Ivy]

Originally posted by BLUTANG
Gods Ivy, i feel what you're saying... i WOULD be pissed if it was my friend or family member.

I don't think i'm blaming the victim by saying we ALL should make better decisions. I know I've put myself in unsafe situations and it's by the grace of GOD that I'm not a statistic. I know that we ALL need to be cognizant of our surroundings and decide what's a worthwhile risk.

It's messed up all around, but NO MATTER HOW WRONG THOSE BOYS ARE - her profession will cast a shadow on her character, if not the entire case.

I agree and thanks for clearing that up. We all should make better decisions but that does not mean that we deserve what we get because of the decisions we make to trust man.