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Old 05-06-2006, 03:12 PM
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Tried to find a Greek Link on UGa. Site. Couldnt find it.

Guess that shows what they feel about Greek Orgs.

If I am in error, please post link for me.
Did you not try the search button? I found the Greek Life page pretty quickly.
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Old 05-06-2006, 05:15 PM
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Thanks, G P!

Doesnt show any GLO links though~

Still shows Me how Un.Ga. must feel!
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Old 05-06-2006, 06:22 PM
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Thanks, G P!

Doesnt show any GLO links though~

Still shows Me how Un.Ga. must feel!
Yes it does. If you click on "NPC" you will be directed to the local Panhellenic Council's website which has links to the chapter websites.
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Old 07-31-2006, 09:54 PM
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Anyone in Athens tomorrow?

"The fraternity issue will be voted on at the County Commission meeting tomorrow night (Tuesday August 1) and I'm hoping to have as many people as possible come out to stand up on this issue.

The proposal before the Commission is to declare fraternities and sororities a "special use", meaning that in order for a fraternity or sorority to build, they would need to get approval from the Planning Commission as well as the Mayor and Commission. From some of the hateful comments that have been flung around in this debate, such as "fraternities do nothing beneficial for anyone" from Planning Commissioner Jerry NeSmith, you can see how difficult it would be for any fraternity or sorority to get a fair hearing if this were to pass.

Please come to the Commission meeting tomorrow night, Tuesday August 1, at 7 pm at Athens City Hall (Washington Street, downtown) to express your views to the Commissioners. I am planning to speak about the benefits that fraternities and sororities bring to the community in terms of service - it would be nice to have some real life examples of that.

If you can make it to the meeting, please call Chuck at 706-202-5548 as soon as possible and let me know that you will be there. Call at any hour of the day or night, and please try to make it to the meeting! If you have any questions call me also. Thanks very much and I look forward to seeing a lot of Greek citizens at the Commission meeting to counter some of the unfair stereotypes.

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Charles A. "Chuck" Jones, Jr.
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Old 08-01-2006, 12:22 AM
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If the City makes it impossible for fraternities to relocate, won't that end the university's effort to move the houses off Lumpkin?
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Old 08-01-2006, 08:39 AM
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no, not really. They are "providing" housing on another less central, smellier part of campus. But they would own the houses and dictate their features. Most people speculate that the suggested site is in NO WAY big enough for all the fraternities to move there, at least big enough to mirror the current size of the fraternity houses. This whole mess started because KA Order bought property in a "historically black" neighborhood. The residents became extremely upset and held town-hall type meetings to try to stop them from moving in. I'd like to point out that it is illegal to prevent someone from living wherever they choose on the basis of race, gender, religion, etc. Rather than make a decision on whether or not they would be allowed to move in, they suspended the issue until... August. It's August (and conveniently the day before sororities move back in) and now the issue is being brought up again.

"Fraternities do nothing beneficial for anyone" according to Planning Commissioner Jerry NeSmith - I hope Athens GCers will make it to the meeting to prove him and others wrong about Greeks - that we give thousands of dollars and hours to charities and that we have the capability to be good neighbors, whether we live next to the cutest house or live next to GDIs.
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Old 08-01-2006, 08:48 AM
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It would seem like georgia fraternities' alumni would be able to stop this crap from the university. It (I'm trying to remember) affects Pikes, Chi Phi and KA. I remember those as three big guns at UGA.
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Old 08-01-2006, 10:25 AM
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Living in Norfolk about 3 miles from the largest Naval base in the world, we hear this story a lot...

A few decades ago, back when there were still visible signs reading "Sailors and dogs keep off the grass," the accepted practice was to pay all military salaries in cash, using nothing but $2 bills. Even when $2 bills were still being issued, they were not all that common. Whenever the local bitching by civilians about the detriment to society the military personel caused got loud enough (usually about every 3-6 months), the commandant of the base (be it Norfolk or otherwise) would restrict all personel to the base for a week. This would cause the local civilians, buisness owners, servers, etc, to realize that whenever the camandant did this, they would generate no $2 bills, and subsequently their profits would dwindle. As a result they would all stop whinning for a while.

At what point does the greek community take this approach to convincing people we don't ruin everything. Just throw up our hands and say, "Fine, we wont help you anymore." I think it'd take about a semester for people to like us.
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Old 08-01-2006, 11:24 AM
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While I disagree with what the university is doing, if they own the land, they can ask the houses to leave. We own a house/lodge on campus, but the university owns the land. They want their land back to build a parking garage. So, they gave us money to move and build a house on the new 'Greek Row'. Our university stalled on the development until building costs went from $900,000 to $3millon. Needless to say we are currently still in our same house, in a stale-mate with the university, and have no future plans of building, even though we have already paid a LARGE sum to the (school choosen) architec.
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Old 08-01-2006, 11:42 AM
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As far as I know, Pike and Chi Phi arent big guns at UGA.
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Old 08-01-2006, 03:33 PM
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I didn't go to school there and I don't know. But I know that in 140 years the Chi Phis at Georgia have produced more Georgia Governors than any other fraternity there and more UGA Presidents than any other fraternity there. Up until maybe the 1990s, the Pikes had most of the Bulldog athletes, including a Heisman winner back in the day.
My impression is that almost ALL of the fraternities at georgia are strong with strong alumni ties. Don't see why the alumni can't just exercise that power.
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Old 08-01-2006, 04:36 PM
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While I disagree with what the university is doing, if they own the land, they can ask the houses to leave.
I haven't read about those types of details for about 11 months, but I seem to recall the issue being that many of the fraternities had 100 year leases, or owned the land and weren't being compensated fairly for it. Regardless of that, the issue today is with the city trying to infringe on the rights of students and greeks.

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My impression is that almost ALL of the fraternities at georgia are strong with strong alumni ties. Don't see why the alumni can't just exercise that power.
I honestly don't have an answer for you. I hope to god there will be alumni/ae present tonight, especially since it was scheduled before school is back in session, but I don't know. I was sincerely just trying to drum up support on greekchat for any locals. Alumni/ae or not, the more greeks present, the better!
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Old 08-04-2006, 04:48 PM
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Do you really need a house on campus?

At UB, there are no fraternity or sorority houses on campus. There never were. Instead, fraternities and sororities who have the funds to do so purchase a house in the neighborhood adjacent to our South Campus. If the GLO itself does not have the funds to set up a house off campus, then some of the members of the particular GLO go and rent a house together with their own money, while everyone else either lives in the dorms or the on-campus apartments, or lives in a separate apartment from the house off-campus.

This practice is very common amongst GLOs here and is encouraged by our office of Greek Affairs, since GLOs are allowed to hold rush events at their houses. The benefit of such a system is that the school has no say in how you run your house. That's between you and your landlord. Also, any private events/rituals, etc. can be held at the house without interference from outsiders.

Now I don't know about UGA and its surrounding neighborhoods, but if your chapter loses its on-campus house, this might be something you may want to look into.
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Old 08-04-2006, 06:35 PM
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Commission will rule on off-campus homes
By Blake Aued | blake.aued@onlineathens.com | Story updated at 11:48 PM on Thursday, August 3, 2006

University of Georgia officials on Wednesday criticized the Athens-Clarke Commission's passage of new rules regulating where fraternity and sororities can build houses off-campus.

The commission unanimously voted near midnight Tuesday to make fraternities and sororities a "special use," giving itself the power to decide on a case-by-case basis whether to allow them to build in areas zoned for multi-family residences and commercial businesses. Fraternity and sorority houses were allowed in those zoning districts without special approval before a temporary ban passed in February.

UGA released a statement Wednesday criticizing the vote. "Like the university, our students strive to be good citizens and are proud to be a part of the city of Athens, making numerous contributions to its welfare and quality of life," the statement said in part. "That is why we find it disappointing when the city takes actions that appear to be anti-student."

The commission passed the new rules in response to the UGA fraternity Kappa Alpha's plans to move from South Lumpkin Street - where the university is taking back five fraternities' land for an unspecified future use - to West Hancock Avenue, and the Sigma Nu fraternity's plans to replace its partially burned house with one off Prince Avenue. Residents there said Greeks will bring noise, traffic and parking problems, and in the case of the Old South-themed Kappa Alpha, possibly racial conflicts.

Kappa Alpha will not be affected by the new rules because it's already filed for permits to build its house, but Sigma Nu will have to get approval from the commission before it begins building.

About a dozen people spoke in favor of the restrictions Tuesday night, but at least one UGA student said she felt like a second-class citizen.

"I have 100 sisters just like me who donate their time and efforts to this town, and I think it's unfair we're not being treated like citizens," said Gwendolyn Boone, a member of the Delta Gamma sorority.

In a rare move, Athens-Clarke Mayor Heidi Davison spoke up at Tuesday's meeting to respond to claims that the county government is anti-student.

"It's not whether we like you or not, it's not whether we think you do good work," Davison said. "It's a zoning and land-use decision."

Two UGA student leaders met with three county commissioners in April to complain about the moratorium on new Greek houses, but they appeared to drop the issue after that meeting.

Pat Allen, UGA director of community relations, and Rodney Bennett, vice president for student affairs, attended several meetings with residents in the neighborhoods where Kappa Alpha and Sigma Nu want to locate, and meetings of the Athens-Clarke Planning Commission where the special-use proposal was discussed. Allen and Bennett declined to comment Wednesday on the commission's action.

University administrators did not weigh in before Wednesday on the proposal to make Greek houses a special use, Davison and Commissioner David Lynn said Wednesday, though UGA President Michael Adams criticized the moratorium in February.

"The university, to my knowledge, hasn't proposed an alternative solution or a compromise solution," said Lynn, who represents the Cobbham neighborhood where Sigma Nu bought land and originally asked for stricter rules regarding where fraternities can build houses.

Many residents of intown neighborhoods where fraternities might want to come have said UGA isn't doing enough to keep Greeks on campus.

The university has offered land on River Road to the five fraternities that must leave South Lumpkin Street by 2008 and continues to try to convince them to take the offer, UGA spokesman Tom Jackson said.

"Our intention is to make a situation where the fraternities don't have to leave campus," Jackson said.

But UGA could do more, Lynn said.

"If they were serious about controlling student behavior and that type of thing, they'd have offered these guys a sweetheart deal on River Road," Lynn said.

Other college towns - including Auburn and Tuscaloosa in Alabama; Oxford, Miss.; and Chapel Hill, N.C. - either ban Greek houses off campus, or the university offers incentives to keep them on campus.

Jackson would not discuss details of any incentives UGA might offer the Lumpkin Street fraternities, but said he might know more by the end of the week.

The disagreement over fraternities isn't likely to harm the county's long-term relationship with UGA, Davison said.

Even fraternity representatives conceded Tuesday that the special-use rules would pass and elected not to fight it.

"Our position has always been that we can peacefully coexist with the neighborhood," R. Michael Barry, an Atlanta lawyer representing Sigma Nu, said Tuesday.

Barry and others did raise concerns about the planning department's proposed parking requirement for fraternities and sororities, which they said was too high.

Commissioners spent about an hour Tuesday night debating the parking requirement, but eventually decided to stick with the planning department's proposal.

UGA's response

The University of Georgia released a statement Wednesday criticizing the Athens-Clarke Commission's Tuesday night vote to decide on a case-by-case basis whether to allow UGA fraternities and sororities to locate off-campus:

The University of Georgia has been in this community more than two centuries, and its fraternities and sororities have been part of Athens for 150 years. Like the university, our students strive to be good citizens and are proud to be a part of the city of Athens, making numerous contributions to its welfare and quality of life. That is why we find it disappointing when the city takes actions that appear to be anti-student. The university places great emphasis on communicating with city leaders and has a full-time person in charge of this, who has kept community leaders informed regarding the fraternity relocation matter at every turn. Since November, we have told city leaders that the university is committed to finding a solution to the relocation of fraternities from Lumpkin Street that is acceptable to all involved - the fraternities, the university, the local government and the neighborhoods. We remain committed to that goal and are continuing our detailed discussions with the fraternities along Lumpkin Street regarding property and construction options that will keep them on the campus.


Published in the Athens Banner-Herald on 080306
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Old 08-04-2006, 06:40 PM
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