Survivor 12: Panama Exile Island

[ADPiShannan]

Thats what makes me sooo mad is how they just think they run the show. I mean they've done good, but they annoy me.

I was annoyed that Arras was like Terry for everything and when he told him he didnt think he could stick it out in the wild much longer. Does he realize that Terry is beating them at everything and being in the CIA he is awesome.

I just want Terry to move forward more. He deserves it. I mean come on Danielle and Courtney are both horrible..... Neither does anything. It was horrible they all sat and ate chesseburgers at the last challenge.

I feel bad for Bruce. He is such a nice guy. I wish he would have gone with Terry a long time ago though, I mean that luxury challenge really should show you how people feel.

I swear each year I say they should do the same thing and its like noone goes in there thinking I need to make it to the end. They all stick to their alliances. It wont get you far.

I say Shane and Courtney go with Terry and vote off Arras or Seri.

All I want is Terry to get immunity so he doesnt have to use the idol, one more time. Then we'll see how that tribe goes.

It will be so boring if Terry is gone too. I cant take this tribe too much more.

[AGDee]

I think Arras got that question wrong on purpose. He knew that Cirie only had to get it right to win, whether he was right or not. He also knew that Cirie was going to take him along on the Reward trip. However, this way, Cirie was the one who had to alienate people by sending someone to Exile Island and by choosing who to take on the Reward trip. He didn't have to become a bad guy to anybody.

I think he's quite bright and if Terry doesn't win, then I think Arras should

[bluefish81]

Originally posted by AGDee
I think Arras got that question wrong on purpose. He knew that Cirie only had to get it right to win, whether he was right or not. He also knew that Cirie was going to take him along on the Reward trip. However, this way, Cirie was the one who had to alienate people by sending someone to Exile Island and by choosing who to take on the Reward trip. He didn't have to become a bad guy to anybody.

I'd agree that I thought Arras threw the reward since he knew he'd still get to go.

[KDAngel]

Originally posted by AGDee
I think Arras got that question wrong on purpose. He knew that Cirie only had to get it right to win, whether he was right or not. He also knew that Cirie was going to take him along on the Reward trip. However, this way, Cirie was the one who had to alienate people by sending someone to Exile Island and by choosing who to take on the Reward trip. He didn't have to become a bad guy to anybody.

I think he's quite bright and if Terry doesn't win, then I think Arras should

I completely agree that he probably threw the reward on purpose since he knew he'd be taken. I'd much rather see Cirie win over Arras in the end though. That is if Terry doesn't. And if Terry makes it that far he'll have more votes because the other tribe is going to have to turn on it's own members and tick them off for him to continue on.

[ADPiShannan]

I wish Terry would win, but they say it will be a close call on the votes, so I say its betweem Cerie and Arras. Neither I want to win. Arras acts like he is so much better than everyone else and hes not.

Cerie annoys me too. She is the one pulling all the strings.

I want Terry to win. Everyone has wanted him out from the merge, but hes fought hard and he deserves the money. Of course, he wont get it.

[MysticCat]

Originally posted by ADPiShannan
Cerie . . . is the one pulling all the strings.

That's why I'd like to see her win. For someone who seemed to be afraid of a leaf in the first episode, I'd say she has the "Outwit, Outplay, Outlast" criteria downpat.

ETA: To the extent that he has continued to win immunity, Terry has Outlasted and Outplayed others. He's also been useful around camp. But I haven't seen much Outwitting from him. He's blown some useful opportunities to capitalize on having the immunity idol. Instead, he wasted it.

Still, if Danielle beats Cirie at making fire, and if Terry can win immunity in the next challenge, he wins the game.

[ztabchbum]

Originally posted by MysticCat81
if Terry can win immunity in the next challenge, he wins the game.

How do you figure that when most of the jury is from the other tribe?

[MysticCat]

Originally posted by ztabchbum
How do you figure that when most of the jury is from the other tribe?

Because the jury hates Danielle. Did you see the glee on Courtney's face when Probst announced votes for Danielle? Assuming the final three are Terry, Arras and Danielle, and assuming either Terry or Arras wins immunity, either would be crazy not to take Danielle into the final two, and I think either would win against her. Other tribe or not, I think most of the jury would vote for Terry before they'd vote for Danielle.

We'll see Sunday, I guess, if my guess is right.

And I see know why people have been spelling "Arras" with two "r's" instead of one. Weird.

[ADPiShannan]

I dont think Danielle will be the one who wins the fire game.

As far as if it were Cerie vs Terry This is how I see the votes and I may be wrong.

Terry gets
Austin
Sally
Bruce
Shane






Cerie gets
Arras
Courtney
Danielle

I know Terry would get Austin and Sally. I think hed get Bruce because Bruce respects him and thinks highly of him and I know Shane is mad about Cerie and Arras going against him.

[MysticCat]

Originally posted by ADPiShannan
I dont think Danielle will be the one who wins the fire game.

I hope you're right. My gut would be that Cirie would get her fire going faster (and in the brief preview clip she did appear to have the bigger fire), but the editing last night seemed to set up a Cirie loss. Maybe the editors are toying with us.

Not sure how I see the votes breaking down between Terry and Cirie, especially Shane's vote.

[polarpi]

Originally posted by MysticCat81
I hope you're right. My gut would be that Cirie would get her fire going faster (and in the brief preview clip she did appear to have the bigger fire), but the editing last night seemed to set up a Cirie loss. Maybe the editors are toying with us.

Not sure how I see the votes breaking down between Terry and Cirie, especially Shane's vote.

That's what I was thinking - it took me seeing the "preview" for Sunday a couple of times (where they show Arras and Terry climbing up that ramp with poles or whatever) spliced with Danielle competing in the puzzle challenge last night to realize that I think they may be trying to buffalo us.

If I had to pick between Cirie and Arras, I'd probably pick Cirie, for all the reasons that MysticCat mentioned earlier. But the vote break down might get interesting between Cirie/Arras and Terry:

Terry for sure gets:
Austin
Sally

Cirie/Arras for sure gets:
Arras/Cirie

Now, Bruce I would *likely* put into Terry's camp, as my sister explained. Danielle could go either way - she wasn't happy with Terry's decision to send her to Exile Island last week, and then he didn't give her the idol (however, he was conspiring with her and she knows she's nothing to C & A).

I think Courtney and Shane, however, may see Cirie and Arras's (and Danielle, for that matter) plotting to get them out to prevent Terry from working with them as a betrayal, and may switch their "loyalty" to the Casaya tribe. If that's the case, Terry would win.

[KDAngel]

I'm pretty sure Terry's in the finals. It'd make sense. More than that it'd create "the closest votes in Survivor history." Because think about it Cirie/**** screwed over Courtney and Shane hardcore. Terry on both of those accounts can say he had no idea those two decisions were being made. Moreover he gave Shane time with his kid so that could work to his advantage.

And let's be really honest, Terry's worked the hardest, beat the most odds, and is still kicking butt. I really hope he's the one to walk away with the million.

If not him Cirie. B/c she's a pretty cool girl and I wouldn't mind her winning either.

[AGDee]

Originally posted by MysticCat81
That's why I'd like to see her win. For someone who seemed to be afraid of a leaf in the first episode, I'd say she has the "Outwit, Outplay, Outlast" criteria downpat.

ETA: To the extent that he has continued to win immunity, Terry has Outlasted and Outplayed others. He's also been useful around camp. But I haven't seen much Outwitting from him. He's blown some useful opportunities to capitalize on having the immunity idol. Instead, he wasted it.

Still, if Danielle beats Cirie at making fire, and if Terry can win immunity in the next challenge, he wins the game.

I think Terry ended up using the idol in the smartest possible way. It guaranteed him F3. He tried to make deals earlier on, but nobody was budging then. Some people on alt.tv.survivor thought he should have given it to Danielle yesterday, but that wouldn't have been smart. She would've run to Arras and Cirie and told them she had it and Terry would have been voted off. He kept it, it was his insurance and he got this far because of it. I think in choosing Shane to spend the night with his son, while knowing that Shane was an explosive type who was alienating his tribe, he probably secured a vote from Shane for the million. I think Terry has the votes he needs. If he wins the final immunity, I think that Austin, Sally, Bruce and Shane will all vote for him, and possibly Courtney too.

What are they going to do with 2 hours of footage when they already did the F4 challenge though??? I usually sleep through half of the finale (when they honor their fallen comrades) already!

Plus, it's on at the same time as Sopranos, Desperate Housewives and Grey's Anatomy.. oh and West Wing! They're killing me on Sunday nights, killing me!

[adpi*violet]

Finale tonight!!!!!
Who will be the ultimate Survivor?
My vote is Terry.

[KDAngel]

I'm glad it was **** over Danielle, but I think Shane said it best when he said Terry deserved it most. I mean he was an all-star and no one else really compared to him.

That final immunity challenge sucked. Soon as the 1st round passed I knew Danielle was gonna win since she was lighter and everyone else seemed to be going underwater. They just couldn't help that. Dumb Survivor.