Why does GPA matter? - Page 3

Tom Earp · #1 01-10-2006, 07:23 PM

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Originally posted by frathole
Yeah, this thread isn't about me though. I'm talking about why should it matter in general. I know there have to be some people out there who agree with me.

I really Hope They Are In The Minority from Your Posts!

Out Out Damn Spot!

frathole · #2 01-10-2006, 07:26 PM

What, because I implied that a fraternity might mean more than what grades you get?

ok

Tom Earp · #3 01-10-2006, 07:38 PM

Not at all. Being in a Greek Organization is a lot of things, and evidently You dont understand that!

You really get boring with Your Tripe!

irishpipes · #4 01-10-2006, 07:45 PM

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Originally posted by frathole
"I could care less" is a colloquialism.

Putting an "'s" at the end of 3.9 is a colloquialism.

The rest of your corrections fly, and are good catches.

The final correction is an article at the end of a thought followed by a comma, not by a period, it technically works.

The correct phrase is, "I couldn't care less" - if you think about it, it makes more sense. However, more people say that one incorrectly than correctly, which has made the incorrect version more acceptable than the correct one.

Putting an "s" at the end is fine, putting an apostrophe "s" is not fine.

The final correction is a preposition, not an article. As such, it should not be placed in that position in your sentence. (It is the same premise that sentences should not end with prepositions.)

Once again though, I was just messing with you.

frathole · #5 01-10-2006, 07:49 PM

You are 100% correct, being in a fraternity is a lot more than just having letters. Your house says who your friends are, what you do during the course of a week, where you are going to come back to once you leave, what you did when you were a pledge, even to some extent what kind of person you are.

None of that is academic. I see grade requirements and treating rushees like they're applying for a job as something thats detrimental to the fun of the fraternity. If I like to hang out with a kid, and they're well liked by the brothers, it shouldn't matter if they never go to class and just get by as long as they stay in school and are fun to be around.

Dionysus · #6 01-10-2006, 07:58 PM

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Originally posted by frathole
Yeah, this thread isn't about me though. I'm talking about why should it matter in general. I know there have to be some people out there who agree with me.

Ha

I agree with you. Some of the most fun people I knew in both high school and college had the lowest GPAs.

BobbyTheDon · #7 01-10-2006, 08:15 PM

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Originally posted by frathole
I don't want to post my school, fraternity, or hs on here because thats just weird, but I went to high school in the southern part of New Jersey.

If you don't want to post your fraternity, why do you post in the Pike forum? Are you claiming to be a Pike? I asked you a question in the Pike forum and you chose to ignore it. If you aren't claiming to be a Pike, why are you attempting to mislead people to think you are a Pike?

frathole · #8 01-10-2006, 08:28 PM

Shoot me a PM.

BobbyTheDon · #9 01-10-2006, 08:35 PM

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Originally posted by frathole
Shoot me a PM.

Done

JenMarie · #10 01-10-2006, 09:48 PM

Don't most schools have some sort of policy that if any student were to fall below a 2.0 for more than two semesters in a row, they can ask you to leave? It happened to a few people I knew. They were on academic probation for more than 2 semesters in a row and they were asked by the university to try one of the local J.Cs to get their grades up. And in our bylaws, if you don't go to our school, you aren't an active member.

While we do foster academic success and attempt to help those in need, if they are failing their classes, there is only so much you can do and the university takes over. And you'd be an inactive member of our group.

So that's why grades matter to us. If you have crappy grades, you need to realign your focus.

Erik P Conard · #11 01-10-2006, 10:33 PM

issued grades are a kind of measuring stick from the instructor
as to how he/she feel you, the student, grasped the message,
and put out the effort.
As an erstwhile scholar at the end, I do think a modicum of paper
trails, grade-wise, will assist in a career climb. Additional effort may enhance this upon entering the field, and this is where the
so-called "gpa" is of little value.
Fraternity membership in many cases, like with the Betas and FarmHouse, will be there to assist the seeker of success.
There is more to college than pissing on the Pike porch or the
efforts to deflower Minerva. But all that aside, a combination of
efforts will yield a mighty fine product.
But, politically correct or not, there are lots of folks who simply do
not belong in the higher education halls.

SPersuasion · #12 01-11-2006, 03:12 PM

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Originally posted by frathole
I've read threads where people mention GPA as a huge part of their recruitment and chapter. Personally, I could care less if someone has a 4.0 or a 0.4, grades determine very little about a person. The same goes for extracurriculars. Some of the most dedicated, fun to be around, and best brothers in my house aren't going to break 2.0, on the other hand, there are brothers just as dedicated, fun to be around, and all around good guys with 3.9's.

Why worry about it?

Soooo..why would you choose the 2.0 people again?

You clearly just stated that those with the same qualities are also capable of obtaining a substantially higher GPA.

AchtungBaby80 · #13 01-11-2006, 03:24 PM

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Originally posted by JenMarie
Don't most schools have some sort of policy that if any student were to fall below a 2.0 for more than two semesters in a row, they can ask you to leave? It happened to a few people I knew. They were on academic probation for more than 2 semesters in a row and they were asked by the university to try one of the local J.Cs to get their grades up. And in our bylaws, if you don't go to our school, you aren't an active member.

Exactly. If GPA doesn't matter and all your members flunk out, you won't have a fraternity.

preciousjeni · #14 01-11-2006, 03:24 PM

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Originally posted by frathole
I see grade requirements and treating rushees like they're applying for a job as something thats detrimental to the fun of the fraternity.

Wow.

Fraternities and sororities ARE businesses. Anyway, how do you think your founders would take your comments?

Then again, I believe in progressing the original vision of the founders (of any organization).

UNLDelt · #15 01-11-2006, 03:36 PM

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Originally posted by frathole
You are 100% correct, being in a fraternity is a lot more than just having letters. Your house says who your friends are, what you do during the course of a week, where you are going to come back to once you leave, what you did when you were a pledge, even to some extent what kind of person you are.

None of that is academic. I see grade requirements and treating rushees like they're applying for a job as something thats detrimental to the fun of the fraternity. If I like to hang out with a kid, and they're well liked by the brothers, it shouldn't matter if they never go to class and just get by as long as they stay in school and are fun to be around.

That's funny...I don't remember ever being told who my friends were. Had plenty of friends outside of the Greek System as well as in it. What I did during the week was whatever I chose to; I chose to be involved in my chapter and on campus, so I chose to participate in those activities. I am going to come back to the chapter when I leave b/c of the same friendships between me and my brothers that YOU are emphasizing, not because I'm obligated. What kind of person I am is a reflection of the values and ideals I have developed through ALL of my experiences throughout life...not JUST the one's I experienced while in a fraternity. And I did join a house that I felt fit me best...so if that's saying I'm a regular, nice, intelligent, fun, and all around good guy like my brothers, then sure...go ahead and tell me it reflects what kind of person I am. I'll gladly take the compliment.

Academic standards are detrimental to the fun of the fraternity? Don't you mean they are detrimental to the perpetuation of immaturity?
If you go to college and piss on that opportunity (which NOT everyone has a shot at) by not giving a damn about your grades or success then I'm sorry but you are too immature to take on the personal responsibility that all adults have. I'm not sure about you but my fraternity, as I assume most do, recruits young adult men...not little adolescent boys.

I'm sorry but having pride in your academics, (or involvement, leadership) etc. and sharing that pride and focus with your brothers who also wish to do well doesn't diminish the fun we had. You don't have to have a 4.0 or even a 3.0, but you do have to show that you care and that you are trying to make the best of the college opportunity.
It's called BALANCE work hard/play hard. And we did plenty of both.