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Old 12-20-2005, 10:17 PM
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That's what they're trying to do. The union always demagogues the issue by saying that without a conducter and motorman, the subways will be less safe. Total bullshit. Those assholes won't even answer simple questions, let alone get off their asses to make sure that everyone is safe.
As much as I hate the system, WVU has an automated transit system. It's called the PRT, and it's been here for three or so decades.

It's all based of of the PERT (iirc) system. It handles extremely low demand and extremely high demand, high being during football games with a few tens of thousand people trying to make it to the game in a hour or so window.

I still chose to drive everywhere though.
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Old 12-21-2005, 07:15 AM
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My friend Beth said her commute was 2 1/2 hours each way from staten Island. She takes the train on SI to the Ferry, walks to WTC, takes the PATH train to Jersey then back up to 33rd, and then walks to her job at 53rd and Lex.

Normally it only takes her an hour and fifteen minutes on the express bus.

I cant believe its about 15 miles (as the crow flies) and yet it takes her that long to get there. Thats the same amount of time it will take me to drive from San Antonio to Houston on Friday.
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Old 12-21-2005, 10:31 AM
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Some people are finding other things to do...(links inside probably NSFW)

I've been watching the NYC Traffic Cams here. The Brooklyn Bridge cam this morning is still showing a TON of people walking across the bridge.
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Old 12-21-2005, 12:58 PM
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The Brooklyn Bridge cam this morning is still showing a TON of people walking across the bridge.
They used that shot last night on NBC Nightly News -- pretty dramatic, but it looked like about half the people (exageration) were news photographers.
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Old 12-21-2005, 01:03 PM
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They used that shot last night on NBC Nightly News -- pretty dramatic, but it looked like about half the people (exageration) were news photographers.
I was actually wondering this. I mean in a lot of situations like this if they just kicked the reporters, cameramen, and photogs out, I bet travel time would decrease by 25%.

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Old 12-21-2005, 01:18 PM
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These are the NYDOT traffic webcams. The bridge is much clearer now but there are still several people on it.
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Old 12-21-2005, 03:40 PM
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Well, I took the PATH to get from home to Midtown. It takes about 20 minutes longer, and it only goes up 6th, and only to 34th Street. Not a bad ride. It seemed very safe, and there are NO TOKEN BOOTH CLERKS. It really illustrates how much TWU Local 100 is completely full of it. They are the main reason why the subways basically stopped expanding in New York. The MTA has so much money tied up in their pensions, that it can't afford to expand.

There are good unions, and there are bad unions. TWU Local 100 is a very bad union that deserves no sympathy from anyone.
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Old 12-21-2005, 03:54 PM
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An email from a fellow NYer:

'Twas five days before Christmas and all through the town;
Not a train was up running, they'd all been shut down.
The turnstiles were locked and the stations were cleared,
in hopes that Old Bloomberg would give them their share.
The workers were nestled all snug in their booths;
Where oft they're found sleeping, to tell you the truth.
Toussaint wants their pensions to be like the cops' -
you know, 'cause it's stressful announcing each stop.
Alas, from the public arose such a clatter,
Their leader seems not to have thought out the matter.
With shoppers not shopping and travel delayed,
public support dwindled, New Yorkers' nerves frayed.
You dumb, lazy morons! The people did cry.
Pensions the same as the FDNY?
It'll cost us a fortune, illiterate twits!
The people weren't happy. In fact, they threw fits.
There's strength in a union, or so they believed
but not before Christmas - now everyone's peeved.
It's terrible timing for stranding the masses;
If Reagan were here he'd have fired your asses.



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Old 12-21-2005, 04:22 PM
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I wish that I could put that picture in my GC signature.

In other news...

Jail Threat Ups Ante for NYC Union Heads

By DAVID B. CARUSO, Associated Press Writer

The city and state stepped up their pressure on striking transit workers Wednesday in hopes of forcing them back to work, and a judge said sending union leaders to jail was a "distinct possibility."

State Supreme Court Justice Theodore Jones, who is hearing several legal issues related to the strike, directed attorneys from the Transport Workers Union to bring president Roger Toussaint and other top officials before the court Thursday to answer to a criminal contempt charge. He said he may sentence the union leaders to jail for refusing to end the strike, calling such a scenario a "distinct possibility."

Union lawyer Arthur Schwartz said Toussaint and the other officials are in negotiations with mediators and that hauling them into court could halt the talks.

The possibility of jail time for union leaders was one of several developments Wednesday as millions of New Yorkers made their way to work in another bone-chilling commute without subways and buses.

Michael A. Cardozo, New York City's corporation counsel, asked the judge to issue an order directing union members to return to work. If the order is granted, Cardozo said, the city could ask for $25,000-a-day fines per worker — a punishment that goes beyond the docked-pay penalty that workers already are experiencing for the illegal strike.

"We're doing everything possible to make the union obey the law," he said, adding that union members need to "realize the economic consequences of their actions."

The fines would be at the discretion of the judge, and most likely would range from a few hundred dollars to a few thousand dollars.

Meanwhile, New Yorkers were out before sunrise, hoping to avoid the long lines and crushing crowds that formed at commuter rail stations during rush hour Tuesday. Outside Penn Station, several taxis had lined up by 7 a.m. to pick up passengers hoping to beat the rush. A trip across Manhattan took about 90 minutes.

"A nightmare, disorganized, especially going home," Aleksandra Radakovic said Wednesday morning in describing her commute.

The White House also spoke out on the strike Wednesday, saying federal mediators have offered to help end the dispute. "It is unfortunate. We hope that the two sides can resolve their differences so that the people in New York can get to where they need to go," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said.

On Tuesday, Jones imposed a huge fine against the Transport Workers Union — $1 million for each day of the strike; Schwartz said the fine could deplete the union's treasury in the matter of days. The union vowed to immediately appeal.

In addition, the union's 33,000 members already face the loss of two days pay for every day they are on strike. That means a prolonged strike could quickly eat up any increased pay they would get with a new contract.

Some of the strikers got an early start Wednesday, donning union placards and returning to their picket lines. Bill McRae, a bus driver since 1985, said he thought negotiations should have continued — but he still backed the walkout.

"The union executives called for a strike, and we have to do what we have to do," McRae said on Manhattan's West Side.

Transit officials said about 1,000 transit workers came to work Tuesday despite the strike, and they were put to work cleaning and doing paperwork.

As they did on the first day of the strike, throngs of pedestrians, including Mayor Michael Bloomberg, on Wednesday braced themselves against the 24-degree weather and crossed the Brooklyn Bridge into Manhattan. Volunteers awaited them, offering hot chocolate.

Bloomberg urged transit workers to end the strike.

"All the transit workers have to do is listen to their international (union) that's urged them to go back to work, listen to the judge who ordered them back to work, and look at their families and their own economic interests," he said. "They should go back to work. Nobody's above the law, and everyone should obey the law."

The International TWU, the union's parent, had urged the local not to go on strike. Its president, Michael O'Brien, reiterated Tuesday that the striking workers were legally obligated to resume working. The only way to a contract, he said, is "not by strike but continued negotiation."

Police say there have been no strike-related crimes, injuries or arrests with the exception of two minor incidents.

On Tuesday night, a cab driver was arrested on the Upper East Side for allegedly assaulting a woman in his cab after they got into an argument over the fare. She sustained minor injuries. And earlier Tuesday, a police officer was accidentally bumped by a flatbed truck at a checkpoint in Queens.

"The city is functioning, and functioning well considering the severe circumstances," Bloomberg said before ripping into the union.

The TWU "shamefully decided they don't care about the people they work for, and they have no respect for the law," the mayor said.

In its last offer before negotiations broke down, the MTA had proposed maintaining a retirement age of 55 but increasing what new hires contribute to the pension plan. It would require new employees to pay 6 percent of their wages for their first 10 years, rather than the current 2 percent. Union officials said that such a change was unacceptable.

"Were it not for the pension piece, we would not be out on strike," Toussaint said in an interview with NY1. "All it needs to do is take its pension proposal off the table."

The union said the latest MTA offer included annual raises of 3 percent, 4 percent and 3.5 percent; the previous proposal included 3 percent raises each year.

The MTA asked the Public Employment Relations Board to formally declare an impasse, the first step toward forcing binding arbitration of the contract, said James Edgar, the board's executive director.
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Old 12-21-2005, 04:30 PM
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For GCers Outside the City

If you want to follow this, check out this web page from a local news radio station:
http://1010wins.com/wins/strike/
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Old 12-21-2005, 04:37 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by xo_kathy
An email from a fellow NYer:

'Twas five days before Christmas and all through the town;
Not a train was up running, they'd all been shut down.
The turnstiles were locked and the stations were cleared,
in hopes that Old Bloomberg would give them their share.
The workers were nestled all snug in their booths;
Where oft they're found sleeping, to tell you the truth.
Toussaint wants their pensions to be like the cops' -
you know, 'cause it's stressful announcing each stop.
Alas, from the public arose such a clatter,
Their leader seems not to have thought out the matter.
With shoppers not shopping and travel delayed,
public support dwindled, New Yorkers' nerves frayed.
You dumb, lazy morons! The people did cry.
Pensions the same as the FDNY?
It'll cost us a fortune, illiterate twits!
The people weren't happy. In fact, they threw fits.
There's strength in a union, or so they believed
but not before Christmas - now everyone's peeved.
It's terrible timing for stranding the masses;
If Reagan were here he'd have fired your asses.



Good stuff. I am emailing this around.
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Old 12-21-2005, 04:50 PM
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xo_kathy, I love it!! I needed the laugh
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Old 12-21-2005, 09:45 PM
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Super Shuttle charged the boy $100 to go from the Lower East Side to LGA. What a rip off...

His reservation had a price of $20 too. He was a bit pissed.

All strike related but still..
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Old 12-21-2005, 09:50 PM
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They got out of that business a while back though.

-Rudey
That’s a shame I thought they were still in business. Oh well send in some fucking Amateur Union Busters. I worked offshore for a good part of my life and had to cross several picket lines to get to my transport and there’s a reason we don’t have unions (for the most part) in the South.
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Old 12-22-2005, 12:11 AM
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My best friend is officially crazy. She and her roommate want to go see a movie. So they're walking 50 blocks to the movie theater.

*nod* She is crazy....I wouldn't do it! My Arthur's uncle suggested I go see a movie to get out of the house...I asked him if he was sending me a car to get there (his brother owns a car service) and he just gave me a look. He says that there are 6-7 lines min. ringing none stop all day long, and even at night.

Arthur made $280 last night (he works car service)...and that was working from 8 PM to 8 AM or so and what he took home...craziness.
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