so many obstacles...

[brownsugar952]

This statement that I'm about to say might make me sound like a big "hater" but I question every new organization that pops on greekchat. Sometimes I will post and question them. Other times I just think to myself. I personally don't understand why most organizations pop up these days that think they are unique when there are really 50 other organizations that have the same purpose. People on here just want to make sure that you have done your research before you jump into something. I can't count how many times I have seen people come on greekchat and they are shocked that their idea truly isn't "unique." I don't understand what is wrong with the questions that we are asking you.

It just seems like there are a lot of people out there that have founderitis and don't truly look into other organizations with similiar beliefs as their own.

[kddani]

Originally posted by brownsugar952
This statement that I'm about to say might make me sound like a big "hater" but I question every new organization that pops on greekchat. Sometimes I will post and question them. Other times I just think to myself. I personally don't understand why most organizations pop up these days that think they are unique when there are really 50 other organizations that have the same purpose. People on here just want to make sure that you have done your research before you jump into something. I can't count how many times I have seen people come on greekchat and they are shocked that their idea truly isn't "unique." I don't understand what is wrong with the questions that we are asking you.

It just seems like there are a lot of people out there that have founderitis and don't truly look into other organizations with similiar beliefs as their own.

Very well said.

While it's admirable to have the energy and dedication to join a new group, there's only so many times you can re-invent the wheel before there's just too many groups that it's bound to fail.

Maintaining and running a GLO takes a LOT of volunteers, people to guide you, money to finance you, etc. Joining an existing GLO is a way to be able to do that quickly and easily so that you can sooner starting functioning.

I believe the OP when they say there's nothing like this on her campus. But it doesn't seem that the OP looked outside the campus to see what else is out there. Nothing that I read on the webpage really strikes me as all that extraordinary that makes this organization THAT unique. Checking out what else is out there gives you a better chance of success.

Also, just looking at the webpage, it seems that the group is getting a little ahead of itself. Talking about expansion to other campuses before the group is even up and running is pretty premature. You can't teach others to do something before you know what you're doing yourself.

We're not trying to rain on your parade, but we have seen tons and tons and tons of posts of people wanting to reinvent the Greek wheel, when in reality what they want to do may very likely fit perfectly with an already existing organization.

[Honeykiss1974]

Originally posted by the1beauty
Being one who answers questions thoroughly, I thought I said there is no other like us on my campus. If not, there it is...

And have you read all that I've said, because I've answered a LOT of questions? If you've read everything in this thread, and (a step further) our website, then I'm sure you'll see what we feel distinguishes us.

And to sum up how I feel: KAG is here because there is a need.
We had a need for Black fraternal organizations, thus the Divine 9 came to be.
Did anyone stop at just having Alphas and AKAs? No, we created seven more Black frats and sororities.
There is a need for a Christian organization that comes from the standpoint of the Black culture and the Black church. Thus we have KAG - whatever other GLOs that TOTALLY match our goals and aims, we fully support. In fact, we support ALL Christian organizations. This is all just a mission to spread the word of God, concentrating in our own Black community, because that is where the Lord and unity are desperately needed.

The only research we need comes from the Word.

Oh, and one more point - why is everyone so questionable about an organization promoting faith in the Lord? Whether black, non-black, purple, whatever....
I'm just betting that no one would question another fraternal organization that just popped up if it were (for lack of a better example) "guys that liked to get wasted while jetskiing"....But people spreading the word of God get questioned...I guess it's all just part of society.

But anyway, I never mind inquiries...ask away

I don't have a problem with people promoting the Lord, but if that what you are - then be it. For example, if there are no Chrisitan faith requirments, then how can you expect an agnostic or Muslim to promote "faith in the Lord" - or to even believe your creed/statement of faith? I wouldn't attend a Christian bible study lead by someone that wasn't Christian - no different than a muslim would attend mosque lead by a baptist preacher. Yeah, I know what your university's says, but there are legitimate ways around that. If there weren't, then there would be no social GLOs on campus that have exclusionary clauses. Why risk your testimony by trying to "play around the rules"?

Anyone on GC (especially black folks) knows that I am the LAST person to criticize new BGLOs - I don't have a problem with them either. But when you call it a Christian-based sorority but yet leave out the fundamental basics of the Christian faith that would actually distinguish you from other sororities (I've read the website) then something doesn't add up. I also don't understand why being Christian inspired (like many other black sororities) is such a negative thing. There's nothing wrong with that.

I was going to bow out of this discussion until I was accused of being a "hater" of the Lord's work. LOL Watch ya mouth there. Just because my feedback isn't super positive doesn't have nothing to do with Him.

[crystalofvirtue]

I am not certain what are the requirements for other Christian Sororities, but for AO you must be a confirmed Christian as a requirement.

[the1beauty]

Originally posted by brownsugar952
I don't understand what is wrong with the questions that we are asking you.

It just seems like there are a lot of people out there that have founderitis and don't truly look into other organizations with similiar beliefs as their own.

This lets me know you haven't been truly paying attention to my words...If you have, you would know that I WELCOME all inquiries, criticisms, scrutiny...I take it all in, and am able to justify my belief that this organization is needed.

And on that little "founderitis" comment, that seems to have been around for centuries, if not then there wouldn't be so many GLOs in existence.

My last piece on this topic is this: KAG is here, it will thrive, if you don't like it then hey...I don't know what to tell you.

Now if anyone would like to actually answer the questions I put out before about the division problem with NPHC organizations and how my organization can discreetly advertise events, then hit me on a PM.

[commissioned]

I am getting in on this a bit late but first off I just wanted commend you, the1beauty, for having a heart and desire to begin such an organization. At the same time, I do agree with those who suggest that you do as much research as possible to help you to decipher what your focus will be and what will distinguish you from the many other Christian BGLOs and GLOs.

Although I am sure that, crystalofvirtue, was able to provide you with great insight, another good place to visit is http://www.s2.excoboard.com/exco/ind...7cc98f4c9025d. It is a Christian Sorority and Fraternity message board.

I wish you much success as you proceed!!

[the1beauty]

Originally posted by Honeykiss1974
I don't have a problem with people promoting the Lord, but if that what you are - then be it. For example, if there are no Chrisitan faith requirments, then how can you expect an agnostic or Muslim to promote "faith in the Lord" - or to even believe your creed/statement of faith? I wouldn't attend a Christian bible study lead by someone that wasn't Christian - no different than a muslim would attend mosque lead by a baptist preacher. Yeah, I know what your university's says, but there are legitimate ways around that. If there weren't, then there would be no social GLOs on campus that have exclusionary clauses. Why risk your testimony by trying to "play around the rules"?

Anyone on GC (especially black folks) knows that I am the LAST person to criticize new BGLOs - I don't have a problem with them either. But when you call it a Christian-based sorority but yet leave out the fundamental basics of the Christian faith that would actually distinguish you from other sororities (I've read the website) then something doesn't add up. I also don't understand why being Christian inspired (like many other black sororities) is such a negative thing. There's nothing wrong with that.

I was going to bow out of this discussion until I was accused of being a "hater" of the Lord's work. LOL Watch ya mouth there. Just because my feedback isn't super positive doesn't have nothing to do with Him.

I know I said my last post was my final word, but I have some major problems with the comments beings said:

1) Nobody is paying attention to what I've been saying. I CLEARLY EXPLAINED that whole non-discrimination policy. I don't know any other way to state it more plainly.

2) While everyone is still holding KAG under scrutiny, why couldn't anyone answer my questions about the problems with NPHC organizations? Yeah, I saw the Zeta and the SGRho on here didn't attempt to provide an answer...it's all good though.

3) Who left out the Christian principles? KAG?! Never that... How are we were risking our testimony? Who said that if someone that was non-Christian tried to pledge, they would become a soror? No one said that. I said that if you're eligible, you can seek membership. Am I not clearly stating things? Somebody tell me what's really going on...

4) Who said anyone was a hater of the Lord's work? Because I pointed out how our society is critical of organized religion? An observation is an observation, reality is reality, and that's what that is.

5) Who said I asked for positive remarks? I asked for answers to the questions I presented.

Ok, I've said ALL I'm going to say on this thread, not because of the questions/criticisms, I welcome all that. But because no one could entertain my simple question of how to discreetly advertise.

[rocketgirl]

Originally posted by the1beauty

Ok, I've said ALL I'm going to say on this thread, not because of the questions/criticisms, I welcome all that. But because no one could entertain my simple question of how to discreetly advertise.

I think if you look inside yourself and organization, you will see that answering and thinking honestly about the questions posed to you WILL help you gain interest. The question about what makes you different and special - well that's what you need to get out there that will make people want to be in your organization. The question about going national - it will help your organization to advertise because you will have more sisters to help you. The advise on researching other organizations - you asked about brother fraternities and clearly the first place to look is to research what is existing. Basically, you have to realize that a LOT of women do a LOT of research on Greek organizations before choosing one. And if they are looking to join or expand, then they may research others and wonder the same things we are. Or maybe they read GreekChat and are wondering why you are answering or not answering questions a certain way.

The "founderitis" is a valid comment. There a about a zillion local African-American based sororities, but the ones everyone can quote are Delta, AKA, SGRho, and Zeta. There are multicultural sororities popping up faster than reality TV shows yet only a few have more than 5 chapters. A lot of these locals are absorbed by larger organizations...any of the NPC women on here can write you a book on that. Reality is that it's hard for organizations to grow and expand and stand on their own, especially when they present themselves to be very similar to a larger existing organization, so joining an existing national organization will help you do that. Obviously you are looking to expand - it's on your website - so you are not trying to stay a local. While you may have nothing like your sorority at your school, when it comes to expansion, all the questions and things we are asking you to consider come into play and question.

All in all - nobody is out to stop you or stop the mission you are driven to fufill. We are just asking you to consider some new ideas that you haven't before that may help you. Maybe if you come back to this thread in a day or so and you're not so "in the moment" you'll see how all the questions relate to your original post. Or maybe not. Either way, I hope you recognize that the questions posed here will be asked to you in some way shape or form by some women looking to join your sisterhood.

Good luck and God Bless with your endeavors.

edited because i cannot type after midnight..

[kddani]

People are holding your group under scrutiny because it is new and unproven. NPHC groups are under constant scrutiny, I don't know where you're getting that from. Any large group is. No one here can speak for those groups- one person speaking for a group of tens of thousands of members isn't appropriate- but you can speak for yours as you are a founder.

I'm sorry that you didn't see it fit to address my post.

You came here asking questions and looking for advice. When given it, you get defensive. You seem to have some tunnel vision going on, with a dose of stubbornness. If you want to succeed, you're going to need the advice and assistance of many people. The advice and information you're getting here is worth its weight in gold. If you don't realize that, i'm sorry, but you're doing your group a great disservice.

[kddani]

More questions:

Why did you seek to be incorporated before you even have your chapter up and running? It is my understanding that when the Divine 9 orgs became incorporated, it really meant something. However, for an organization founded today, becoming incorporated is only a matter of having the money to pay a lawyer to set it up for you.

How is your corporate structure organized? How about your articles of incorporation- what do they say, particularly about your group's purpose? Who sits on the board of directors? Do you have an active body of adults (by adults I mean past college, with real world experience, etc.) on that board? Who paid for the attorney to set this all up? Who's going to continue to pay the attorney to make sure the corporation is running as it should and taking care of any business that comes up with it being a corporation?

Doing the paperwork to become a corporation isn't all that tough, particularly with an attorney. However, running and maintaining a corporation, particularly with so few people, is very tough.

PLEASE remember that this chapter is the building block for all other potential chapters and for new members that join later. By worrying so much about incorporating, expanding, etc. you're putting the cart before the horse. This first chapter needs to be STRONG. Get it strong, get strong women, and then worry about the other stuff. If not, you're only setting yourself up to fail.

Also curious as to how you can say (on your website) that your group does this, this and this, but you haven't done anything yet? Don't be saying you do something when you haven't even done it yet. And if you have, how about some pictures?

[jubilance1922]

Originally posted by the1beauty
I know I said my last post was my final word, but I have some major problems with the comments beings said:

1) Nobody is paying attention to what I've been saying. I CLEARLY EXPLAINED that whole non-discrimination policy. I don't know any other way to state it more plainly.

2) While everyone is still holding KAG under scrutiny, why couldn't anyone answer my questions about the problems with NPHC organizations? Yeah, I saw the Zeta and the SGRho on here didn't attempt to provide an answer...it's all good though.

3) Who left out the Christian principles? KAG?! Never that... How are we were risking our testimony? Who said that if someone that was non-Christian tried to pledge, they would become a soror? No one said that. I said that if you're eligible, you can seek membership. Am I not clearly stating things? Somebody tell me what's really going on...

4) Who said anyone was a hater of the Lord's work? Because I pointed out how our society is critical of organized religion? An observation is an observation, reality is reality, and that's what that is.

5) Who said I asked for positive remarks? I asked for answers to the questions I presented.

Ok, I've said ALL I'm going to say on this thread, not because of the questions/criticisms, I welcome all that. But because no one could entertain my simple question of how to discreetly advertise.

In all honesty, you probably will not get an answer to your critique of NPHC organizations, because no one on this board is qualified to speak on their organization in its totality (meaning that no one has the authority to speak on their organization in an official capacity). All I can do is speak about my experience, and I did, which you must have found unsatisfactory.

I think the other ladies in this thread have made a lot of great points, and that you may have become defensive instead of truly listening and taking in the advice. The questions that we ask are the same questions that will be asked by prospective members. Will you have answers for them?

I truly hope that you come back and re-read some of the responses, to help you and your group truly come to an understanding of what makes you unique.

[kddani]

Originally posted by the1beauty
IOk, I've said ALL I'm going to say on this thread, not because of the questions/criticisms, I welcome all that. But because no one could entertain my simple question of how to discreetly advertise.

Woah woah woah. So because we couldn't answer ONE of your multiple questions, you're taking your ball and going home? That's hard to believe. We don't know your campus. But the best advice you can have is do things within whatever rules are governing you by the school. It is not a good idea to start off on the right foot.

And in any event, you yourself said "The only research we need comes from the Word." Obviously not, since you're asking questions here. Your faith can guide you, but it's not going to give you specific answers. Your faith isn't going to tell you what other orgs are out there or what's the best PR strategy.

But I find it hard to believe that you refuse to further participate in this thread because we couldn't answer this question for you. I think you're refusing to futher participate because you can't answer the questions that YOU have been asked.

[the1beauty]

Originally posted by kddani
Woah woah woah. So because we couldn't answer ONE of your multiple questions, you're taking your ball and going home? That's hard to believe. We don't know your campus. But the best advice you can have is do things within whatever rules are governing you by the school. It is not a good idea to start off on the right foot.

And in any event, you yourself said "The only research we need comes from the Word." Obviously not, since you're asking questions here. Your faith can guide you, but it's not going to give you specific answers. Your faith isn't going to tell you what other orgs are out there or what's the best PR strategy.

But I find it hard to believe that you refuse to further participate in this thread because we couldn't answer this question for you. I think you're refusing to futher participate because you can't answer the questions that YOU have been asked.

That's the most ignorant thing I've heard on here...I shouldn't even be entertaining your comment. But I will, because I can.

If you've read this thread, then you should know I've answered EVERY question, replied to EVERY post even the last one by rocketgirl....I just answered her in private because I said "I'm done with this one" twice.

Read everything before you speak. And don't tell me what my faith will and won't do, that's not what's up for question. I asked a simple question, one I'm no longer looking for an answer to.

If anybody has anything else, to say, I'll respond, just as I've been doing.

[kddani]

Lol, see, just getting more and more defensive, aren't you?

I've asked a multitude of very valid questions and made valid comments, all of which have been ignored by you.

[the1beauty]

Woah woah woah. So because we couldn't answer ONE of your multiple questions, you're taking your ball and going home? That's hard to believe. We don't know your campus. But the best advice you can have is do things within whatever rules are governing you by the school. It is not a good idea to start off on the right foot.

And in any event, you yourself said "The only research we need comes from the Word." Obviously not, since you're asking questions here. Your faith can guide you, but it's not going to give you specific answers. Your faith isn't going to tell you what other orgs are out there or what's the best PR strategy.

But I find it hard to believe that you refuse to further participate in this thread because we couldn't answer this question for you. I think you're refusing to futher participate because you can't answer the questions that YOU have been asked.

Where's the question in all that? Point out the question, and I'll answer it, because I fail to see one. And you don't know me, so can't say I'm being "defensive"...trust, you haven't see me be defensive, and you won't. I'm not stressing, I just have a distaste for ignorance.