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FRATMOSPHERE · #31 12-26-2005, 08:47 PM

Coramoor, if you're a Beta from WVU then I respect you. From what I understand, that's a good chapter. I wasn't saying that I would be unable to get women if I wasn't in a fraternity but I think we both can agree it makes it easier. Why wouldn't a reasonable guy want to increase his odds of meeting girls? Actually, what it really came down to was that before I rushed, I noticed that the hottest girls on campus were usually wearing sorority letters. I figured (correctly) that these girls were most interested in guys in fraternities.

ZZ-kai, do you really think I'm going to tell you who I am? I've thought about it and that doesn't really offer me any benefits. Answer these questions if you dare.

Why did you join a fraternity?

What state is your school in?

What is the advantage of having a diverse or in your case extremely diverse chapter?

a.e.B.O.T. · #32 12-26-2005, 08:56 PM

Well, everyone has their own reason for joining a fraternity, some being a little more valid then others. The fact is, we initiate men who live up to the values and standards of Beta Theta Pi, and I do not remember it talking about homosexuality. Initiating someone should be not be decided based on whose going to be comfortable at date parties, because thats not what its all about, and if you cant create a bond with someone because of who he likes, well, then I sure hope your not a Beta.

What is the advantage of having a diverse or in your case extremely diverse chapter?
-Its not about being 'diverse.' People dont set a minimum quota on the member of gay men, or black men, or etc, that they give bids too. Its about being open to gay men being apart of the fraternity experience. They can socialize with sororities and fraternities just as well as straight men, and most cases better. In rush, they can get alot more sorority girls to help. At Date parties, if its with a sorority, well, they dont have to attend, or they can, but they, im pretty sure, are going to be aware of the situation. My chapter has the gayest of gays and the straightest of straights, and once both sides gave the other a chance, they all had a much happier experience.

FRATMOSPHERE · #33 12-26-2005, 09:49 PM

About diversity, why would you want to join a group of people that's not like you, partially or completely? You mentioned feeling comfortable at date parties. Wouldn't you want to feel comfortable in all circumstances around the people you're spending the four best years of your life with? Also, why would you want a brother that wouldn't go to events such as date parties or mixers?

ZZ-kai- · #34 12-26-2005, 11:12 PM

Is that how you rush guys into your fraternity? Do you try that hard to convince them to join your chapter, as you are to make us think gays should not be accepted? If so, you're terrible at it.

I do not owe you an answer to anything. You're a lurker on this board just trying to get people upset. Go on living in your hole, when you graduate, if you graduate, you'll move on to some job where diversity is going to slap you in the face. And I hope you post on here your true feelings when your dad comes out of the closet. That'll be a good one.

FRATMOSPHERE · #35 12-27-2005, 01:04 AM

What do you mean by convince them to join? What's that all about? Also, I might need to deal with diversity in the workplace but not when I'm trying to join a selective group of my peers. Finally, I highly doubt that my dad is gay considering he's had three kids and is happily married. I just find it improbable.

By the way can you answer the other questions that haven't been answered?

And as a side note, from what I see above it looks like you should target gay guys during recruitment since they're so good with girls.

ECUJacob · #36 12-27-2005, 01:40 AM

I'm shocked at the direction this thread went in while I was absent due to Christmas.

Thank you, ZZ-kai-, for stepping up to the plate.

Okay, Fratmosphere, I'll attempt some intelligent answers.

Why did you join a fraternity?

I joined a fraternity because I was searching for a familial bond that I was lacking. My immediate family all live in Georgie, which is 9+ hours away. I wanted to have a group of people whom I could depend on and spend time with. I believe I found the best group.

What state is your school in?

Although I don't know WHAT this has to do with anything, but my school is in North Carolina.

What is the advantage of having a diverse or in your case extremely diverse chapter?

A diverse chapter allows you the opportunity to be exposed to different cultures, habits, religions, rituals, etc etc. A fraternity (or any other collegiate organization) is based on perfected your character. Learning methods to deal with other people is critical in your education and subsequent success in "the real world".

Given the statistics, I would be shocked to find ANY greek chapter in this country that did not have a gay member (male or female, out or in the closet).

I don't believe a person's sexual orientation has anything to do with their ability to contribute a positive influence within their chapter, school, commmunity, etc. We have a few openly gay members in our chapter. They attend all functions and typically bring female dates with them to public events simply because they don't want to be the brunt of ignorant gossip. Regardless of who they choose to sleep with, a person can still live up to our standards and expectations.

And on that whole "fratty.net" topic... please. Noone takes that sight seriously and it is more often times than not the brunt of jokes and ridicule amongst our campus.

FRATMOSPHERE · #37 12-27-2005, 03:46 AM

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You guys pull ass. I'll be back.

sdbeta1 · #38 12-27-2005, 05:53 AM

wow, that is probably one of the most disrespectful things i have ever seen. there used to be so much more civility in here three days ago.

James · #39 12-27-2005, 06:11 AM

Whether you are gay or not is your own business. As is your religion, politics etc.

However, that being said, no one has an obligation to like you or want to tolerate you . . whatever their reason.

There is this idea that we should like and tolerate everyone . . . And maybe we should, but we don't.

So if you come out of the closet thats fine, but to expect everyone to like you for it is childish.

ZZ-kai- · #40 12-27-2005, 11:36 AM

But if someone comes out of the closet, and you liked them before, then why should you hate them?

Who gives a crap, its the same guy??!!

scotty K · #41 12-27-2005, 01:09 PM

I am guessing that Fratmosphere is only in a Fraternity to meet girls and not for anything else. It would seem as if "brotherhood" was not that important.

I can say this from leassons learned, the real world is filled with people not like each other. In work, you need to try to get along with all types of people, gay, str8, bi, black, white, yellow, etc.

Coramoor · #42 12-27-2005, 02:24 PM

You are right that you have to learn how to work with all types of people in the workplace. I'll be a Lt. pretty soon, and I'll have to work with all types of people in the Army. And trust me, there are a lot of people that I don't like and that I know from the get go it's going to be miserable to work with...but I'll still do it because it's my job.

When it comes to my life and my social circle-I can be selective as I want. I don't have to tolerate anyone I don't want to be around.

a.e.B.O.T. · #43 12-27-2005, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Coramoor

When it comes to my life and my social circle-I can be selective as I want. I don't have to tolerate anyone I don't want to be around.

right, I agree with you, but in this case, your not just deciding whose in your social circle, you aredeciding whose is in Beta's social circle

FRATMOSPHERE · #44 12-27-2005, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by scotty K
I am guessing that Fratmosphere is only in a Fraternity to meet girls and not for anything else. It would seem as if "brotherhood" was not that important.

I can say this from leassons learned, the real world is filled with people not like each other. In work, you need to try to get along with all types of people, gay, str8, bi, black, white, yellow, etc.

Dude, being able to party hard and increasing the number of attractive girls I could meet were the two main reasons I joined a fraternity and it didn't hurt that I was a double legacy.

Also, using the word "sr8" is about as gay as it gets.

Coramoor, you know the deal.

a.e.B.O.T, what are you talking about?

"The Republicans should back off and let men marry men; women marry women, and legalize abortion. In three generations there will be no more Democrats."

ZZ-kai- · #45 12-27-2005, 11:20 PM

I'm going to edit this comment to be a 'no comment'. I am not going to have a pissing match with some 'kid' about my fraternity - we're much better than that.

Adios.

Quote:

Originally posted by FRATMOSPHERE
Dude, being able to party hard and increasing the number of attractive girls I could meet were the two main reasons I joined a fraternity and it didn't hurt that I was a double legacy.

Also, using the word "sr8" is about as gay as it gets.

Coramoor, you know the deal.

a.e.B.O.T, what are you talking about?

"The Republicans should back off and let men marry men; women marry women, and legalize abortion. In three generations there will be no more Democrats."