Slow Response Or Deliberate Extermination? - Page 3

Rain Man · #31 09-22-2005, 02:05 PM

On NPR, National Public Radio, host Neal Conan will be hosting a show today (9/22/05) before a live audience and they will be discussing this very thread topic: Race, Class, and Katrina from 2-4 p.m.

Here is the link if you want to catch the show between 2-4 today:

*Link deleted*

If you missed this show, you can click on the link in my reply to this post two posts down

What do you think?

Edited to update links to access the article and discussion.

Lady of Pearl · #32 09-23-2005, 10:03 PM

A true travesty, I once thought of teaching in New Orleans but friends and family changed my mind. There for the Grace of God go I!
I know of a friend of a friend who was in New Orleans and is completely displaced. I talked with a friend about the consipiracy theory, he agrees that it was genocide upon the millions of poor and Black people in New Orleans, has anyone heard on the radio about the song about the people of New Orleans there- it talks of the the conditions there and of the dead bodies in the street. I can't get out of my mind that little girl on tv shouting We need help!

Why weren't those school buses put to use to help the people there!

An ever increasing gap between those who have, and those who have not! and those who did not have the means not to get out of New Orleans were expendable!

Rain Man · #33 09-24-2005, 01:08 AM

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Originally posted by Rain Man
On NPR, National Public Radio, host Neal Conan will be hosting a show today (9/22/05) before a live audience and they will be discussing this very thread topic: Race, Class, and Katrina from 2-4 p.m.

Here is the link if you want to catch the show between 2-4 today:

*Link deleted*

If you missed this show, you can [click on the link below in my next post].

What do you think?

Here is the NPR Archive link to the ToTN segment:

Race, Class, and Katrina 9/22/05

Click on the "Listen" icon below the title

madmax · #34 09-26-2005, 04:31 PM

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Originally posted by Lady of Pearl

Why weren't those school buses put to use to help the people there! An ever increasing gap between those who have, and those who have not! and those who did not have the means not to get out of New Orleans were expendable!

Who owns the tens of thousands of cars that are parked in the streets before and after the flooding?

Who was resoponsible for the estimated 10 thousand people that didn't want to leave even after the flooding?

Honeykiss1974 · #35 09-26-2005, 04:40 PM

Those that didn't WANT to leave, we aren't talking about them. I for one, don't love my belongings THAT MUCH to where I would stay and protect them. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE my Fendi bag and TV, but my life is more valuable. If I get caught up in a bad situation because of it...well that's on me.

We are talking about people who do not have the means (ie a vehicle, the money to buy gas/a bus/plane ticket, etc.) but WANTED to leave.

On another note, I listened to the NPR special when it aired and it was a really good discussion about the disparity in perception that exist.

RACooper · #36 09-26-2005, 04:55 PM

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Originally posted by madmax
Who owns the tens of thousands of cars that are parked in the streets before and after the flooding?

Who was resoponsible for the estimated 10 thousand people that didn't want to leave even after the flooding?

I hope you do realise that a number of those "tens of thousands" of cars may be owned by people who own more than one vehicle? The central issue is not with those who had the means and chose not to leave, the issue is those who lacked the means to leave and were effectively abandonded.

madmax · #37 09-26-2005, 07:52 PM

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Originally posted by Honeykiss1974
Those that didn't WANT to leave, we aren't talking about them. I for one, don't love my belongings THAT MUCH to where I would stay and protect them. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE my Fendi bag and TV, but my life is more valuable. If I get caught up in a bad situation because of it...well that's on me.

We are talking about people who do not have the means (ie a vehicle, the money to buy gas/a bus/plane ticket, etc.) but WANTED to leave.

On another note, I listened to the NPR special when it aired and it was a really good discussion about the disparity in perception that exist.

Yes you are talking about the people that didn't want to leave. Most of the people that were stranded, made the decision to stay and then when the shit hit the fan they decided it was time to leave. Unfortunatley it was too late. Fats Domino chose to stay. Once his house was underwater he couldn't get his Bentley started. Who is responsible?

madmax · #38 09-26-2005, 08:03 PM

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Originally posted by RACooper
I hope you do realise that a number of those "tens of thousands" of cars may be owned by people who own more than one vehicle? The central issue is not with those who had the means and chose not to leave, the issue is those who lacked the means to leave and were effectively abandonded.

Or maybe the cars were owned by the people who lived in the neighborhoods where the cars were parked and maybe those people chose not to leave.

Lady of Pearl · #39 09-26-2005, 08:17 PM

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Originally posted by RACooper
I hope you do realise that a number of those "tens of thousands" of cars may be owned by people who own more than one vehicle? The central issue is not with those who had the means and chose not to leave, the issue is those who lacked the means to leave and were effectively abandonded.

My sentiments exactly-most did not have that disposable income or the means of those who have- and thus the have nots were simply abandoned! Can you deny that you did not see people shouting on national television - WE NEED HELP!

I don't think they chose to stay in the situation they were in-they had no choice.

madmax · #40 09-26-2005, 08:34 PM

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Originally posted by Lady of Pearl
My sentiments exactly-most did not have that disposable income or the means of those who have- and thus the have nots were simply abandoned! Can you deny that you did not see people shouting on national television - WE NEED HELP! I don't think they chose to stay in the situation they were in-they had no choice.

Sure I saw them on TV but that was after the flooding. At that point it didn't matter how much money they had. How do you know if they had money or not? Did you see ANY of them asking for help before the storm?

Most of those people were just too stupid to leave. It wasn't until after the flooding and their cars were under water that they wanted to get out.

TonyB06 · #41 09-27-2005, 09:34 AM

...why would 50,000 people (black, white or otherwise) choose to stay and take a category 5 hurricane dead in the face?

southernelle25 · #42 09-27-2005, 10:16 AM

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Originally posted by madmax
Sure I saw them on TV but that was after the flooding. At that point it didn't matter how much money they had. How do you know if they had money or not? Did you see ANY of them asking for help before the storm?

Most of those people were just too stupid to leave. It wasn't until after the flooding and their cars were under water that they wanted to get out.

The poor, elderly, crippled, and those otherwise unable to evacuate on their own were told to go to specific locations within the city. Most specifically, they were told to go to the Superdome, from which they should have been picked up and transported elsewhere.

madmax · #43 09-27-2005, 01:53 PM

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Originally posted by TonyB06
...why would 50,000 people (black, white or otherwise) choose to stay and take a category 5 hurricane dead in the face?

The fact of the matter is, they did stay. Some of the people that were stranded were even wealthy. Why did they stay?

Katrina was lowered to a category 4, not a 5.

Most of the people that were interviewed said they stayed because they didn't expect the hurricane to be as bad as it was. The gulf gets dozens of hurricanes every year.

southernelle25 · #44 09-27-2005, 02:12 PM

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Originally posted by madmax
...Why did they stay?

...Most of the people that were interviewed said they stayed because they didn't expect the hurricane to be as bad as it was. The gulf gets dozens of hurricanes every year.

Your point appears to be no more and no less than what you wrote earlier:

"Most of those people were just too stupid to leave."

And yet, you just offered a reasonable (not stupid) explanation as to why some may have stayed.