Bush Opponents Kicked Out of Church

[damasa]

Originally posted by LexiKD
The church and state issue will go on forever...tax status cannot be revoked b/c of what the Preacher has said. He is really just a figure head and there is a council that runs the church and if they don't agree then they remove the preacher and go on.

Very true.

And if that is the decided route (I guess the man resigned), then it means that it was a deal and someone cared. Which I believe answers the question you posed?

ETA: Actually if the pastor had decided to stay their tax status could be drawn into question and investigated. And from what i gather if the members that were told to leave or repent do not feel comfortable going back to the church for reasons regarding the rest of the church membership, their tax status could again be called into question. So Technically they couldn't lose their tax status because of what this man said but they could lose it if it was investigated due to the aftermath of the situation.

Although I highly doubt it will happen.

[citydogisu]

I bet the pastor followed the Grand Old Party's suggestion to "send your Church Directory to your State Bush-Cheney '04 Headquarters or give [it] to a BC04 Field Rep"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Jun30.html

[RACooper]

Originally posted by citydogisu
I bet the pastor followed the Grand Old Party's suggestion to "send your Church Directory to your State Bush-Cheney '04 Headquarters or give [it] to a BC04 Field Rep"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Jun30.html

Isn't the above both ethically and legally wrong? I mean Canada or the UK don't have any formal seperation of church and state - but a church providing personal information to a political party is a violation of both privacy and election laws (even in Northern Ireland were unfortunately faith and politcs are alomst one and the same)

I thought that the same would apply in the US too... doesn't it?

[Tom Earp]

Didnt He Recant and say it was a misundestanding and now they are back in the Flock of Fs!

Think I will become a Preacher Man and get tax breaks too!

The Church of get down get funky and what be happening!

[Shortfuse]

Originally posted by LexiKD
I don't agree with the action but why should we be up in arms about it?

I remember many a times Sen. J. Kerry and Sen. J. Edwards along side of Rev. Sharpton and Rev. Jackson having many things to say about their political views in church services. So much so that it was called into question about the regualtions about church speaking. There is a difference when they attend their own church or at least the same denomination but Sen. Kerry is far from free will or southern baptist.

I think this is the same. When I go to church I don't want it to be political but it seems churches have been used in this manner for some time.

But NOBODY WAS KICKED out of that church for disagreeing. There is a difference.

[LexiKD]

Maybe no one was kicked out but churches being used for political gain is the same for me. If I was in church and the Rev. duo along with Sen. Kerry and Sen. Edwards came in, using my church, organizing my congregation to and from the polls I would not think that would represent the church in any way or my feelings. I know it wouldn't happen in my church so I don't have to worry about it but in any case where you worship isn't a political area to be used by either side.

Anyway, no one was kicked out.

[Shortfuse]

Originally posted by LexiKD
Maybe no one was kicked out but churches being used for political gain is the same for me. If I was in church and the Rev. duo along with Sen. Kerry and Sen. Edwards came in, using my church, organizing my congregation to and from the polls I would not think that would represent the church in any way or my feelings. I know it wouldn't happen in my church so I don't have to worry about it but in any case where you worship isn't a political area to be used by either side.

Anyway, no one was kicked out.

Nobody was THREATENED with being kicked out when Kerry and Edwards came there. You're wasting your time trying to make this the SAME issue.

Plus, Kerry and Edwards showed up to campaign. THAT Minister was campaigning for Bush when he probably be better served preaching about the lord.

[LexiKD]

we can agree to disagree all day.

no one was kicked out in either situation and both situations should not have happened.

If my church asked democrats to campaign I would feel threatened to voice my opinion b/c the church has already taken a side. And futher more it may not be right of the preacher but churches are not allowed to be used for campaigning.

go ahead say what you wish this is my last post on the subject

[Tippiechick]

Originally posted by LexiKD
And futher more it may not be right of the preacher but churches are not allowed to be used for campaigning.

go ahead say what you wish this is my last post on the subject

That post is simply lacking any logical thought whatsoever. There is no law prohibiting churches from inviting speakers to their congregation. Churches make that decision for themselves.
Surely you aren't speaking for every congregation in the U.S. as to whether or not they allow candidates to come and speak.

[LexiKD]

I said I wouldn't post again.....I hope these work! Many more can be found on the subject. There is a difference b/w speakers and on the election route with paid contributors during an election.

This really is the last time I hope

www.camlc.org/press-278.html

www.wibw.com/news/headlines/860747.html

[Shortfuse]

Originally posted by LexiKD
we can agree to disagree all day.

no one was kicked out in either situation and both situations should not have happened.

If my church asked democrats to campaign I would feel threatened to voice my opinion b/c the church has already taken a side. And futher more it may not be right of the preacher but churches are not allowed to be used for campaigning.

go ahead say what you wish this is my last post on the subject

It doesn't work that way. Well not the way I'm familar with. Most people who campaign ASK the church first. They (the people campaigning) usually find a place where the most voters could be at or the most important area of their campaign where there are usually alot of support or people sitting on the fence.

Even IF your church asked democrats to campaign there, get on your preacher because it's YOUR church as well.

YOU FELT threaten, you were never threatened to be kicked out. There's still a difference. One case it was what you "believed" would happened but never did happen. In another case, the people were threatened/actually kicked out of that church.