Sooners coach resigns over racist remarks

[Rudey]

Originally posted by KSig RC
The strangest part of this incident is that neither the kid referred to in this situation nor his parents thought the coach should resign - and neither did the only other African American member of the team, and his parents. I can't imagine why they would feel this way, but according to espn.com, both students and both sets of parents were not happy to see the coach resign.

Regardless, the man displayed some intense stupidity - apparently there was some debate within espn on how to report the situation. It'll be interesting to see how/if this develops further.

Probably because they knew his character and felt what he was saying may be dumb but not racist?

Probably because they don't let political correctness influence their sound judgement on this guy?

-Rudey

[Phasad1913]

Originally posted by Rudey
Probably because they knew his character and felt what he was saying may be dumb but not racist?

Probably because they don't let political correctness influence their sound judgement on this guy?

-Rudey

Political Correctness???? I am so SICK of people using that phrase and labeling people based on it as if it is something wrong with it. There is right and there is wrong. Is it right or wrong to insult people and put them down by the use of a term that is solely used to deminish people because of their race? Why is it that people who tout that it IS wrong are somehow made to feel bad because they want to dissuade the mainstream from engaging in that kind of insulting speech/behavior.

Its so funny that in this country where so many folks are out there talking about "doing what's right" (i.e. Iraq) and treating people with dignity and respect and so-called conservative bs like "colorblind, merit based society" and that that crap, there are SO many people on whom this concept is lost. Its like a lot of Americans can see the legitimacy of fighting and DYING for the sake of people in a totally different country, for exampe, for their right to be treated with respect and not put down and mistreated, but in this country, those who preach the same toward people right here are denounced uder the evil words "political correctness" It's rediculous.


As for this idiot coach, all this talk about he should have known better and its 2005 and maybe he isn't racist blah bla blah. Its a bunch of bull. This is exactly the problem in this country...and other parts of the world. Freedom of speech vs/ moral responsibility is at the core of all this. Yes, of course the man can say what he wants, but the problem is that so many whites in this country feel comfortable feeling this way and thinking this way about non-whites and in particular black people that to call them out on it causes more of a problem than the racist views. Now he may have resigned, but with the political climate in America right now and the anti-political correctness movement that has been expressed by rudey, I think that there is a larger mass of people who do not see anything wrong with the essence of what he said. They may not be very vocal about it, but they are there and it is THAT reality of the minds of the people in America that I think is the root for the persisting divisions in this country, not those who are trying to keep that kind of language out of the mainstream, or what you call "political correctness".

[Rudey]

Please read what I wrote before you jump to conclusions and write lengthy Sunday sermons.

Comment on what he said specifically and the fact that he talked about whites and blacks in that tone and how the black players wanted him as their coach. Others did.

And don't make this a conversation where you throw in irrelevant and insignificant terms like "conservative bs" and talk on and on about Iraq.

-Rudey

Originally posted by Phasad1913
Political Correctness???? I am so SICK of people using that phrase and labeling people based on it as if it is something wrong with it. There is right and there is wrong. Is it right or wrong to insult people and put them down by the use of a term that is solely used to deminish people because of their race? Why is it that people who tout that it IS wrong are somehow made to feel bad because they want to dissuade the mainstream from engaging in that kind of insulting speech/behavior.

Its so funny that in this country where so many folks are out there talking about "doing what's right" (i.e. Iraq) and treating people with dignity and respect and so-called conservative bs like "colorblind, merit based society" and that that crap, there are SO many people on whom this concept is lost. Its like a lot of Americans can see the legitimacy of fighting and DYING for the sake of people in a totally different country, for exampe, for their right to be treated with respect and not put down and mistreated, but in this country, those who preach the same toward people right here are denounced uder the evil words "political correctness" It's rediculous.


As for this idiot coach, all this talk about he should have known better and its 2005 and maybe he isn't racist blah bla blah. Its a bunch of bull. This is exactly the problem in this country...and other parts of the world. Freedom of speech vs/ moral responsibility is at the core of all this. Yes, of course the man can say what he wants, but the problem is that so many whites in this country feel comfortable feeling this way and thinking this way about non-whites and in particular black people that to call them out on it causes more of a problem than the racist views. Now he may have resigned, but with the political climate in America right now and the anti-political correctness movement that has been expressed by rudey, I think that there is a larger mass of people who do not see anything wrong with the essence of what he said. They may not be very vocal about it, but they are there and it is THAT reality of the minds of the people in America that I think is the root for the persisting divisions in this country, not those who are trying to keep that kind of language out of the mainstream, or what you call "political correctness".

[kstar]

Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
With the history of the "n" word in this country, he should've known better.

He was making a distinction between different types of blacks and whites. A smart person wouldn't have tried (at least not publicly...people do all sorts of things privately) to make that distinction in the first place.

I don't think he is racist (although he does remind me of an Archie Bunker...who was racist towards nonwhites even IF he also said things to offend whites). I think he should've resigned because he is ignorant and inappropriate toward whites and blacks.

Well, then blacks themselves need to stop using the "n word."

It's so stupid that it's okay to call each other that, but not for a white person to call anyone that. The double standards need to stop.

As a personal note, I think he was a jerk, not for what he said, but how he acts. (He's a lousy tipper too.)

And as a personal note to DST: You are way too up in arms about any racial comment. Anytime I see the word "racist" in a thread, I'm like, "uh-oh, where's DSTCHAOS?"

[Phasad1913]

Originally posted by Rudey
Please read what I wrote before you jump to conclusions and write lengthy Sunday sermons.

Comment on what he said specifically and the fact that he talked about whites and blacks in that tone and how the black players wanted him as their coach. Others did.

And don't make this a conversation where you throw in irrelevant and insignificant terms like "conservative bs" and talk on and on about Iraq.

-Rudey

Don't tell me what to write. This is MY thread and I will write whatever I want. You don't like it? Too bad.

[Phasad1913]

Originally posted by kstar
Well, then blacks themselves need to stop using the "n word."

It's so stupid that it's okay to call each other that, but not for a white person to call anyone that. The double standards need to stop.

As a personal note, I think he was a jerk, not for what he said, but how he acts. (He's a lousy tipper too.)

And as a personal note to DST: You are way too up in arms about any racial comment. Anytime I see the word "racist" in a thread, I'm like, "uh-oh, where's DSTCHAOS?"

It's so stupid that it's okay to call each other that, but not for a white person to call anyone that. The double standards need to stop.

If you are itching that much to use the word, use it. I could care less. And I wonder if you ever actually READ/listen to what it is DSTCHAOS says about race issues. They may not mean anything to you, but that has nothing to do with how other people regard issues like that.

[The Truth]

Originally posted by kstar
Well, then blacks themselves need to stop using the "n word."

It's so stupid that it's okay to call each other that, but not for a white person to call anyone that. The double standards need to stop.

As a personal note, I think he was a jerk, not for what he said, but how he acts. (He's a lousy tipper too.)

And as a personal note to DST: You are way too up in arms about any racial comment. Anytime I see the word "racist" in a thread, I'm like, "uh-oh, where's DSTCHAOS?"

"Time ta go"

*packing up a guitar like the man in Color Purple, right before Sophia pimp slapped Squeek*

[Rudey]

Originally posted by Phasad1913
Don't tell me what to write. This is MY thread and I will write whatever I want. You don't like it? Too bad.

Good way to avoid the points discussed.

-Rudey
--"This is my sandbox. You get out"

[sugar and spice]

Haha, wow.


kstar, that is a very, very simplistic way of looking at things. Personally, I would love to hear the n-word eradicated from everyone's vocabulary as well, because it's an ugly word that's hard for me to hear. However, that's not my decision to make. There are plenty of women who feel the same way, for example, about the words "bitch," "slut," and "ho," all of which I use to affectionately refer to my female friends even though I would be irate if some guy called them that, even as a joke. One of my friends and I recently had a discussion about throwing around the word "slut" -- it makes her uncomfortable, I don't mind it. But it's a complex issue that involves reclaiming the word and making it less painful, and there are similar issues with the n-word. It's not simply a "double standard," and I don't think that's a particular hard concept to grasp. (Then again, I've contemplating changing my GC sig to "WHAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND ABOUT 'HISTORICAL CONTEXT'?" just about every time a racial discussion flares up, yet people still seem to find that pretty difficult to grasp, too.)

[Rudey]

Originally posted by sugar and spice
Haha, wow.


kstar, that is a very, very simplistic way of looking at things. Personally, I would love to hear the n-word eradicated from everyone's vocabulary as well, because it's an ugly word that's hard for me to hear. However, that's not my decision to make. There are plenty of women who feel the same way, for example, about the words "bitch," "slut," and "ho," all of which I use to affectionately refer to my female friends even though I would be irate if some guy called them that, even as a joke. One of my friends and I recently had a discussion about throwing around the word "slut" -- it makes her uncomfortable, I don't mind it. But it's a complex issue that involves reclaiming the word and making it less painful, and there are similar issues with the n-word. It's not simply a "double standard," and I don't think that's a particular hard concept to grasp. (Then again, I've contemplating changing my GC sig to "WHAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND ABOUT 'HISTORICAL CONTEXT'?" just about every time a racial discussion flares up, yet people still seem to find that pretty difficult to grasp, too.)

The difference is the usage of a similar comment to refer to whites along with support from black team members including the one remarked on.

-Rudey

[sugar and spice]

Originally posted by Rudey
The difference is the usage of a similar comment to refer to whites along with support from black team members including the one remarked on.

-Rudey

Aww, you played right into my post. Thanks for setting up a demonstration, buddy.

The term "honkey" does not have the same HISTORICAL CONTEXT as the n-word. Nor can Chris Rock be compared to this coach because honkey and the n-word are not comparable terms, and because of HISTORICAL CONTEXT, a black man using these terms is a very different thing than a white man using them.

Not to mention the argument about "support from black team members" is specious at best. So not every single black person in the whole world is offended by this? Great. That doesn't make it not racist. You cannot be in the sports business and use the n-word -- there have been far, far too many incidents over the years in the professional/college sports industry that have demonstrated that this will get you into trouble. People have been fined or fired for far less. If you're too stupid to have figured out that it's a bad idea to use the n-word when you might get quoted in the newspaper, you don't deserve to be employed.

[Rudey]

Umm so what is the historical context of "honeky"? By the way I like how you can say "honkey" but have issues using the "n-word".

And support from black team members is actually very relevant given that it is those players he works with and that player he commented on. But I suppose reasoning isn't your strength (awwww).

And the rest of what you wrote is again dealing with him being stupid, not dumb.

-Rudey

Originally posted by sugar and spice
Aww, you played right into my post. Thanks for setting up a demonstration, buddy.

The term "honkey" does not have the same HISTORICAL CONTEXT as the n-word. Nor can Chris Rock be compared to this coach because honkey and the n-word are not comparable terms, and because of HISTORICAL CONTEXT, a black man using these terms is a very different thing than a white man using them.

Not to mention the argument about "support from black team members" is specious at best. So not every single black person in the whole world is offended by this? Great. That doesn't make it not racist. You cannot be in the sports business and use the n-word -- there have been far, far too many incidents over the years in the professional/college sports industry that have demonstrated that this will get you into trouble. People have been fined or fired for far less. If you're too stupid to have figured out that it's a bad idea to use the n-word when you might get quoted in the newspaper, you don't deserve to be employed.

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by sugar and spice
Not to mention the argument about "support from black team members" is specious at best. So not every single black person in the whole world is offended by this? Great. That doesn't make it not racist.

Just to nitpick, this is an interesting violation of your own desire to refer (or is it 'defer'?) to context.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by KSig RC
Just to nitpick, this is an interesting violation of your own desire to refer (or is it 'defer'?) to context.

She just wanted to use the word specious. Cut her a break.

-Rudey

[Phasad1913]

Originally posted by Rudey
Good way to avoid the points discussed.

-Rudey
--"This is my sandbox. You get out"

LIKE I SAID, I made my statement exactly how I wanted to and said the things I wanted to say. If you don't like what I said, who cares?