Bush's 2nd Inauguration

[krazy]

It was largely funded by private donation. And that rueters article reaks of blatant liberal propaganda. Elite media at its worst. I was there, it was great, it was so crowded it felt like woodstock. The protesters were at a minimum, despite their coverage by the media. I walked around everywhere, most of the protesters were told to shut up by the crowds and ended up walking away.

Security had to be in place, that is the world we live in today. There were no cars driving around downtown DC, but people were everywhere. I saw it with my own eyes, so I know how it played out. The media obviously did not cover it in the same way. Believe what you want.

[IowaStatePhiPsi]

Originally posted by krazy
I was there, it was great, it was so crowded it felt like woodstock.

So Dubya is doing cocaine again?

[krazy]

Originally posted by IowaStatePhiPsi
So Dubya is doing cocaine again?

Ad Hominem

[Rudey]

Originally posted by IowaStatePhiPsi
I think it's time to downgrade the inauguration. Looks like Bush hurt the DC economy today:
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=7384152

Really? How did they hurt it? How much was the hurt really? Do you have numbers? Please tell us.

-Rudey

[Rudey]

You just can't stop. No it's great.

Let me repeat certain things:

1) YOU ARE NOT AMERICAN
2) YOU DO NOT VOTE FOR THE AMERICAN PRESIDENCY

DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

You also did not have to "choke down" Bush's speech. He is our president and while his speech may be broadcast in other regions of the world, you could easily switch to another program. But YOU didn't...you choked on it.

Right. I'm sure you know the exact number of people that died in Iraq based on silly websites which lack any statistical significance. In fact, many of them were killed by terrorists and other Iraqi thugs - remnants of Saddam's military.

But using your wonderful logic, I'm sure those million or so dead Iraqis, Kurds, and Iranians that wished they had our way of life so they wouldn't have died because of Saddam clearly outnumber your 150000.

And really it's great that you know what Iraqis want. They wanted to die in large numbers when Saddam ruled. And they sure as hell want to die in large numbers under his cronies. I'm sure they don't want Democracy. They don't want anything from Americans and want Bathists and terrorists to kill them.

Again, YOU DID NOT VOTE FOR THE AMERICAN PRESIDENT. We voted. And it wasn't about religion. If you actually read anything instead of constantly attacking American choices, you would know better. But you don't.

GWB the largest killer? Keep talking it up because your ignorance knows no bounds it seems. Also the tsunami wasn't the largest killer. JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZ LOUISE!

Are you ever content in just not insulting other countries, our voters, and our leaders?!?

-Rudey

Originally posted by RACooper
What other than having to choke down that hypocritical crap called a speach?

The 'We won't force our way of life or government on unwilling people' crap... well tell that too 150000 Iraqi's.. oh wait they are too "free" too hear it while acting as fertilizer

Can't wait till the next 4 years are done and hopefully intelligence not religious hyprocitcal rhetoric gets a chance...

GWB the world's greatest killer in the last 2 years, short of the Tsumani... well just

[Rudey]

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/21/op...?oref=login&hp

The New York Times

January 21, 2005

Bush's 'Freedom Speech'
By WILLIAM SAFIRE

Washington

On his way out of the first Cabinet meeting after his re-election, President Bush gave his longtime chief speechwriter the theme for the second Inaugural Address: "I want this to be the freedom speech."

In the next month, the writer, Michael Gerson, had a heart attack. With two stents in his arteries, the recovering writer received a call from a president who was careful not to apply any deadline pressure. "I'm not calling to see if the inaugural speech is O.K.," Bush said. "I'm calling to see if the guy writing the inaugural speech is O.K."

Yesterday's strongly thematic address was indeed "the freedom speech." Not only did the words "freedom, free, liberty" appear 49 times, but the president used the world-watched occasion to expound his basic reason for the war and his vision of America's mission in the world.

I rate it among the top 5 of the 20 second-inaugurals in our history. Lincoln's profound sermon "with malice toward none" is incomparable, but Bush's second was better than Jefferson's mean-spirited pouting at "the artillery of the press."

In Bush's "second gathering" (Lincoln called it his "second appearing"), the Texan evoked J.F.K.'s "survival of liberty" phrase to convey his central message: "The survival of liberty in our land increasingly depends on the success of liberty in other lands." Bush repeated that internationalist human-rights idea, with a slight change, in these words: "The best hope for peace in our world is the expansion of freedom in all the world."

The change in emphasis was addressed to accommodationists who make "peace" and "the peace process" the No. 1 priority of foreign policy. Others of us - formerly known as hardliners, now called Wilsonian idealists - put freedom first, recalling that the U.S. has often had to go to war to gain and preserve it. Bush makes clear that it is human liberty, not peace, that takes precedence, and that it is tyrants who enslave peoples, start wars and provoke revolution. Thus, the spread of freedom is the prerequisite to world peace.

It takes guts to take on that peace-freedom priority so starkly. Bush, by retaliatory and pre-emptive decisions in his first term - and by his choice of words and his tall stance in this speech, and despite his unmodulated delivery - now drives his critics batty by exuding a buoyant confidence reminiscent of F.D.R. and Truman.

He promised to use America's influence "confidently in freedom's cause." He jabbed at today's Thomases: "Some, I know, have questioned the global appeal of liberty, though this time in history, four decades defined by the swiftest advance of freedom ever seen, is an odd time for doubt."

Bush has seen the enemy and it is not us. Nor is it only a group of nations (the "axis of evil"). Nor is the prime enemy the tactic of terrorism.

The president identified the enemy (and did not euphemize it, as Nixon's writers did, as "the adversary") a half-dozen times in this speech. The archenemy of freedom, now as ever, is tyranny.

That's thinking big, with history in mind. That comes from reading Natan Sharansky, the former Soviet dissident, and sends a message of hope to democrats jailed by despots in places like China, Zimbabwe and Saudi Arabia. Bush embraced "the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in the world," but added that our active encouragement of reform "is not primarily the task of arms."

That was also a reference to Iraq, where the greatest danger to postelection democracy is less from Zarqawi's terrorist murderers than from the legion of Baathists who want to re-impose Saddam's brand of tyranny.

A metaphorical nitpick: he said our liberation of millions lit "a fire in the minds of men ... and one day this untamed fire of freedom will reach the darkest corners of our world." I would have replaced "this untamed fire," which could be dangerous, with "the light from this fire," which would have illuminated the "darkest corner." (Once a speechwriter ...)

Evidence that Bush's "freedom speech" was tightly edited for time was in his concluding evocation of Philadelphia's Liberty Bell. Cut out of a near-final draft was the line on the side of the bell from Leviticus that rings out Bush's theme: "Proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof ..."

-Rudey

[RUgreek]

I think everyone is just whining here because they didn't get an invite to the gala. You would of also been so pissed if it was Kerry having the same lavish and expensive inaugural ball too, right?

[RACooper]

Originally posted by krazy
It was largely funded by private donation. And that rueters article reaks of blatant liberal propaganda. Elite media at its worst. I was there, it was great, it was so crowded it felt like woodstock. The protesters were at a minimum, despite their coverage by the media. I walked around everywhere, most of the protesters were told to shut up by the crowds and ended up walking away.

Security had to be in place, that is the world we live in today. There were no cars driving around downtown DC, but people were everywhere. I saw it with my own eyes, so I know how it played out. The media obviously did not cover it in the same way. Believe what you want.

Oooo... the standard knee0jerk reaction of any questioning of the administration of Heir BuSh... "liberal media"... the irony is that the reactionary brainwashed masses of the right sound just as moronic with the accusations as the reactionary brainwashed masses of the left...

[Rudey]

Originally posted by RACooper
Oooo... the standard knee0jerk reaction of any questioning of the administration of Heir BuSh... "liberal media"... the irony is that the reactionary brainwashed masses of the right sound just as moronic with the accusations as the reactionary brainwashed masses of the left...

Please stop attacking our country, our voters, and our leaders. It's getting old. We have asked you "nicely".

-Rudey

[RACooper]

Originally posted by Rudey
You just can't stop. No it's great.

Let me repeat certain things:

1) YOU ARE NOT AMERICAN
2) YOU DO NOT VOTE FOR THE AMERICAN PRESIDENCY

DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

You also did not have to "choke down" Bush's speech. He is our president and while his speech may be broadcast in other regions of the world, you could easily switch to another program. But YOU didn't...you choked on it.

And really it's great that you know what Iraqis want. They wanted to die in large numbers when Saddam ruled. And they sure as hell want to die in large numbers under his cronies. I'm sure they don't want Democracy. They don't want anything from Americans and want Bathists and terrorists to kill them.

Again, YOU DID NOT VOTE FOR THE AMERICAN PRESIDENT. We voted. And it wasn't about religion. If you actually read anything instead of constantly attacking American choices, you would know better. But you don't.

Are you ever content in just not insulting other countries, our voters, and our leaders?!?

-Rudey

No I'm not an American (and damned proud of it)... but since you seem to have the right to comment on other countries and their actions why shouldn't I?

Jee... sorry for expressing my "freedom" and my "liberty"... perhaps you didn't listen to the same speech I did.. but I think BuSh may have mentioned the rights of everyone worldwide to these "rights" (no matter how hyporictical it sounded coming from him).

Sorry but yesterday was perhaps the most distasteful day in a long-time (well other than election day); because I had the displeasure to be hosting a Republican love-in watching...

So I got to hear the ignorant blow-hards such as yourself spout off about why the US and Bush are numero uno, and why Canada is a shitty little country - all tied into perhaps the worst of the rhetoric I've seen crawl out of the "red states"...

So I was told that Canada sucks because we are letting the "queers" corrupt our minds with their control of the media; Canada has never fought a war and has to hide behind the UK's or the US's skirts; at most maybe 20000 terrorist sympathizers have been killed in Iraq; Abu Gharib was nothing more than liberal media attacks; the US was/is the largest contributer of Tsumani relief; "liberty" and "freedom" are fundamental values that only Christains can understand; Non-Christians are the source of "terror and evil"; Canada was were the 9/11 terrorists came from; America has never lost a war; if it wasn't for the "liberal" media Bush would have gotten at least 75% of the vote; the terrorists supported Kerry; and so on... for a enlightening four hours...

Right. I'm sure you know the exact number of people that died in Iraq based on silly websites which lack any statistical significance. In fact, many of them were killed by terrorists and other Iraqi thugs - remnants of Saddam's military.

But using your wonderful logic, I'm sure those million or so dead Iraqis, Kurds, and Iranians that wished they had our way of life so they wouldn't have died because of Saddam clearly outnumber your 150000.

Actually jackass the US military has tracked the number of casualities in the conflict as well... but since you don't have access to those numbers try looking up the numbers on the John Hopkins website - finally yes Saddam killed alot of people, but hey how long did he take? How long has the US been in Iraq? Hmmm sounds like the US is beating Saddam...

GWB the largest killer? Keep talking it up because your ignorance knows no bounds it seems. Also the tsunami wasn't the largest killer. JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZ LOUISE!

Alright then what prey tell was the largest killer in the last two years?


Finally a parting thought, that I did fire off at the jackasses yesterday:
"Why is it when Bush invokes God or talks about his mission from God he is a man expressing his great faith; but when another world leader - say a mulsim invokes Allah - that person is a religious fanatic or extremist?"

[RACooper]

Originally posted by Rudey
Please stop attacking our country, our voters, and our leaders. It's getting old. We have asked you "nicely".

-Rudey

If you can attack whomever you want... so can I... so shut the fuck up and deal with the fact that I have the right to comment on anything, just as you have that right...

As for your "we have asked you nicely" crap... if you could ignore the same pleas about your repeated attacks on France, Canada, Germany, Palestine, Muslims, Arabs, Liberals... or which ever whipping boy you picked to make yourself feel like a big man, why should I hold back?

I'm sick of playing nice while others on this board think they can bully disenters or others into submission... so I will continue to express my opinions in the way I see fit... just as you did asshole when you called me a paedophile.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by RACooper
I lie and never make sense and attack America because I wish I was American.

Please stop. You make no sense.

-Rudey

[Rudey]

Originally posted by RACooper
If you can attack whomever you want... so can I... so shut the fuck up and deal with the fact that I have the right to comment on anything, just as you have that right...

As for your "we have asked you nicely" crap... if you could ignore the same pleas about your repeated attacks on France, Canada, Germany, Palestine, Muslims, Arabs, Liberals... or which ever whipping boy you picked to make yourself feel like a big man, why should I hold back?

I'm sick of playing nice while others on this board think they can bully disenters or others into submission... so I will continue to express my opinions in the way I see fit... just as you did asshole when you called me a paedophile.

Well when you're actually right about something it's different. I don't attack other countries. If you can show how I did, that's different.

As for you you are someone who lies, you are someone who threatens to kill people, and you are someone who doesn't know much so you resort to attacking America.

By the way you just cursed and violated the rules of Greekchat. You have the right to be ignorant, a liar even, not the smartest, but you can't threaten to kill people or curse. Sorry. So, so sorry.

-Rudey

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by RACooper

So I got to hear the ignorant blow-hards such as yourself spout off about why the US and Bush are numero uno, and why Canada is a shitty little country - all tied into perhaps the worst of the rhetoric I've seen crawl out of the "red states"...

So I was told that Canada sucks because we are letting the "queers" corrupt our minds with their control of the media; Canada has never fought a war and has to hide behind the UK's or the US's skirts; at most maybe 20000 terrorist sympathizers have been killed in Iraq; Abu Gharib was nothing more than liberal media attacks; the US was/is the largest contributer of Tsumani relief; "liberty" and "freedom" are fundamental values that only Christains can understand; Non-Christians are the source of "terror and evil"; Canada was were the 9/11 terrorists came from; America has never lost a war; if it wasn't for the "liberal" media Bush would have gotten at least 75% of the vote; the terrorists supported Kerry; and so on... for a enlightening four hours...

If you can't see how hypocritical your views are after re-reading this portion of your post (Hint: you are no better than these jerkoffs in certain areas), I've got nothing more for you.

You're a total apologist, and your arm-chair QBing gets old fast. You spout then don't back it up w/ any citation or literal proof, like we're supposed to yield to experience and opinion. This is exactly what the fundamentalists you decry utilize as SOP.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by KSig RC
If you can't see how hypocritical your views are after re-reading this portion of your post (Hint: you are no better than these jerkoffs in certain areas), I've got nothing more for you.

You're a total apologist, and your arm-chair QBing gets old fast. You spout then don't back it up w/ any citation or literal proof, like we're supposed to yield to experience and opinion. This is exactly what the fundamentalists you decry utilize as SOP.

Yeah he has experience in everything. I loved when he had experience in cutting heads off and then later he had experience in rockets and said that someone had launched a specific type of rocket into a US military area in Iraq and it turned out to be a suicide bomber.

-Rudey