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01-14-2005, 06:51 PM
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Not the smartest thing to do. I've done some stupid things, but this one tops the cake.
And, he absolutely should get the lashing he's gotten- because he's a prince. With privilege comes responsibility. It's true for me, and it's true for you too! Harry, meet the plate. Step up.
ETA- You know, the Nazi's didn't just murder Jews. They kills millions of Polish people and others too. Socialists, Catholics, anyone else that was against the government. I should be offended by this because I'm Polish. I'm not- I just think he's stupid and needs to learn his lesson.
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01-14-2005, 06:55 PM
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Well theoretically, when I visited Kensington Palace and they had a showing of the late Lady Diana's ball gowns and appropriate dress for the aristocrats and royals, another country can legally declare war for this heinious act...
I think that visiting the Holocaust Museum is the "noble" thing to do... And I think Prince Harry will be moved. However, IMHO, I do not think he will truly learn from this unless he is put in a place of war and hatred and may be realize the world is not all what it's cracked up to be in his puny mind...
I think that the Israeli government outta publically flog his ass... But that's my opinion...
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01-14-2005, 08:07 PM
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ETA- You know, the Nazi's didn't just murder Jews. They kills millions of Polish people and others too. Socialists, Catholics, anyone else that was against the government. I should be offended by this because I'm Polish. I'm not- I just think he's stupid and needs to learn his lesson.
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01-14-2005, 08:52 PM
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Not the smartest thing to do. I've done some stupid things, but this one tops the cake.
And, he absolutely should get the lashing he's gotten- because he's a prince. With privilege comes responsibility. It's true for me, and it's true for you too! Harry, meet the plate. Step up.
ETA- You know, the Nazi's didn't just murder Jews. They kills millions of Polish people and others too. Socialists, Catholics, anyone else that was against the government. I should be offended by this because I'm Polish. I'm not- I just think he's stupid and needs to learn his lesson.
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And Freemasons, Gypsies, Jehovah's Witnesses, in fact, anyone who did not meet the standards of racial purity or was not 110% in favor of the policies of the Nazionalsozialistiche Deutsches Arbeiterspartei. (NSDAP - the official Gernan name of the Nazi party. The abbreviation "Nazi" comes from the German word Nazionalsozialistische; while it was popularly used by the world, use of the term was officially discouraged within the party.)
Chances are Prince Harry will get into Sandhurst, but he'll never live down the time he suffered a stupid attack and wore a Nazi-style uniform for the rest of his life.
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01-14-2005, 08:59 PM
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I was at Dachau in November while traveling through Germany. It was a cold, dark, rainy, and I was alone with the memorials. While it wasn't as intense as Auschwitz, the message was strong enough for me.
I think if he's going to do this, he should see it by myself, not with the media on his heels and waiting to snap a shot of his emotional revelation (assuming he gets one).
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If Princes William and Harry do make the journey to Auschwitz, and are able to do so with an absolute minimum of publicity, I still think that survivors and/or children of survivors should go.
Immediately afterwards, I think that EVERY palace official, from the bodyguards on down, should then have to follow suit. If Prince Harry was about to fall off of a cliff, they would have broken ranks and stopped him; they should also have stopped this madness before he even got out of the Palace.
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01-15-2005, 03:45 AM
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Another thing that I find offensive is the fact that he went to party called 'colonials and natives' party. Doesn't he realized that the days of their lit's Empire are long gone?
If working in Africa doesn't make him realized that colonialism was one of the major factor in wrecking the continent, I doubt going to Aushwitz will open his mind.
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01-15-2005, 08:37 AM
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And Freemasons, Gypsies, Jehovah's Witnesses, in fact, anyone who did not meet the standards of racial purity or was not 110% in favor of the policies
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Dont forget lesbians and gay men- who weren't freed by the Allies but instead kept in the camps and then after the war transfered to jails and not freed until the late 60s.
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01-15-2005, 09:31 AM
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Immediately afterwards, I think that EVERY palace official, from the bodyguards on down, should then have to follow suit. If Prince Harry was about to fall off of a cliff, they would have broken ranks and stopped him; they should also have stopped this madness before he even got out of the Palace.
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Prince Harry is an adult. He should be making his own choices and decisions. Making everyone in the palace go is punshing them for a spoiled prince's stupid choice. Do we know that he was even staying in the palace? How do you know someone DIDN'T say something to him? They could've easily made a comment, hey that might not be appropriate Harry, but they couldn't press the issue. Those people want to keep their jobs. Harry could have them fired quite quickly, i'm sure.
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01-15-2005, 07:06 PM
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I don't think anyone in the palace knew he was going as a nazi soldier. The uniform is plain and the only thing that makes it nazi is the armband which he could have hidden in his pocket until he got to the party.
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01-15-2005, 07:12 PM
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I don't think anyone in the palace knew he was going as a nazi soldier. The uniform is plain and the only thing that makes it nazi is the armband which he could have hidden in his pocket until he got to the party.
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Well other than the fact that the rest of the costume bears the insignia of the Afrika Korps...
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01-15-2005, 07:18 PM
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but do you think it would of attracted any attention if he was wearing it without the armband? I don't know, but if he was wearing a full-blown SS uniform I wouldn't be able to give the palace an ignorance excuse on that one. Don't get me wrong, I'm not condoning his costume at all.
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01-15-2005, 07:34 PM
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Is this true? I didn't know that.,
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Dont forget lesbians and gay men- who weren't freed by the Allies but instead kept in the camps and then after the war transfered to jails and not freed until the late 60s.
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01-15-2005, 10:00 PM
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Well other than the fact that the rest of the costume bears the insignia of the Afrika Korps...
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Looks more like generic summer-style uniform tunic with German WWII Heer (army) insignia tacked on. (I have several books on WWII German armed forces uniforms.)
The swastika armband looks like it was crudely hand made. It would never be a part of a Wehrmacht uniform, other than being seen on the Wehrmacht eagle and on certain decorations.
Early Nazi Party uniforms were surplus WW I desert uniforms made for the German Army, but never used in combat since they never had the opportunity to fight it out there. Which is why the Nazis were known as the "Brownshirts". (Italian Fascists wore black shirts and Spanish Falangists wore blue.)
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01-15-2005, 10:24 PM
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Looks more like generic summer-style uniform tunic with German WWII Heer (army) insignia tacked on. (I have several books on WWII German armed forces uniforms.)
The swastika armband looks like it was crudely hand made. It would never be a part of a Wehrmacht uniform, other than being seen on the Wehrmacht eagle and on certain decorations.
Early Nazi Party uniforms were surplus WW I desert uniforms made for the German Army, but never used in combat since they never had the opportunity to fight it out there. Which is why the Nazis were known as the "Brownshirts". (Italian Fascists wore black shirts and Spanish Falangists wore blue.)
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The shirt that Harry was wearing looked much closer in colour to the shade worn by the Afrika Korps... it was more of a yellowish brown... whereas I always found the "Brownshirts" more of a darker or orange-ish brown.
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