Putting one of your glos about another

[m0rgan]

Originally posted by Optimist Prime
aside to thread starter

don't be afraid of what people from some web-site think about you.

I agree. Thread starter: you sound scared of us GCers.


Just because someone is in two or more GLOs, it doesn't mean that they are of the same value to the member. They may very well take up different amounts of time. And if you are living in a house with your sisters of a social org, you probably have bonded more with them.

That said, I don't know much about it so ignore me.

[33girl]

I've tried to respond to this multiple times and it keeps coming out wrong.

I don't know how you could be in two of ANYTHING and not like one at least a little more than the other unless you are an automaton who can actually measure their affection. Humans have preferences and there's nothing we can do about it. I know people that have been in a NPC/NIC and APO - some put the NPC/NIC first, some put APO first. You can't dictate unless you know what the person's experiences in the org are.

And Erik brings up a very very very good point:

Originally posted by Erik P Conard
If those of you who claim to be social, then be...and consider the IFC and the social role at your conventions--no in-between.

If you have chapters out there that aren't operating as they should and making people question your role as a social GLO - they need to change it! This doesn't necessarily mean joining a different council, but if you hear of (example) a SAI chapter that isn't showing any sisterhood and is only acting as a resume builder for its members, kick their butts and make sure they know what they joined.

I don't think things where you are admitted solely on the basis of your GPA can even compare - I'm sure there's people in them that are super close but well duh, they probably have classes with each other all the time too.

[cash78mere]

why does it matter what other people decide to do?

i was a member of 4 honorary societies in college, and joined them solely for their placement on my resume. honestly if i ever busted out in a letter shirt from kappa delta pi, i think the whole campus would have laughed at me.

i could care less about those societies and would never put those letter on my car.

it also depends on people's campuses. on mine, non NPC/NPHC sororities and fraternities were NOT seen as sororities and fraternities. APO, etc were not seen as social glo's and people in the NPC didn't take them seriously as a fraternity. most who were members of APO and a social GLO only wore letters from their social org. and hey, don't slam me--i'm just being honest of how they were seen on MY campus, not any others!

i think SAI, etc are very worthwhile organizations. i think members should be PROUD to belong. but on SOME campuses, they would not be looked upon as social glo's and wouldn't wear letters. on other campuses, they might be the largest glo! so, to each his/her own!

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to the post starter--don't be scared of what others think. it's just the internet. start as much controversy as you want in your OWN name--it will probably be taken more seriously anyway.

[FSUZeta]

for putting it so succintly. i do not consider s a i, t b s and the like to be the same as an npc or ifc organization. they are different, despite the fact that they might have a recruitment process, membership selection & initiation ceremony. perhaps they will evolve into an npc or ifc org., but i think the majority of their membership are content with their org. just the way it is.

[texas*princess]

Unless you yourself have joined a professional or other type of GLO, you don't really get what it's all about. Also each individual chapter can also be different.

I joined Deltasig my sophomore year and even though we were a "professional" GLO, there was also a lot of social things about it. When I tranferred schools, the chapter up here was waaaaay social. We even had "mixers" (for lack of better word) with the other business fraternities on our campus in the form of kickball tournaments and fun things like that where the active & alums of each org. were able to hang out with each other. We have formals, group outings (just like some sororities have "sisterhood events"), we had selective bidding, a pledging process, rituals, membership education sessions (which after I joined ADPi found those sessions were very similar to ADPi's Total Membership Education sessions) and we even did a lot of professional stuff like touring companies & interview tips and all that stuff.

Basically what I'm trying to say is some chapters are more active than others. In ADPi and all other GLOs, some chapters do more than others. Some are probably more social than others. It just depends on the atmosphere and how things are on the campus.

To dismiss all non-IFC/NPC/NPHC orgs as psuedo fraternities based on what some people have told you is pretty ignorant. My DSP brothers are like family to me... just as my ADPi sisters are. In your definition that would make them a Fraternity wouldn't it?

Some of my best friends today are people that I pledged with and met when I first joined DSP. Just a couple of months ago, I found out one of my coworkers is also a Deltasig, and we went out to lunch and now we're pretty good friends. The same thing probably would have happened if I had found out she was an ADPi. Also, when it came to school stuff, I connected more with my DSP friends then I did with the ones in ADPi. And it was mainly because I knew the people in my DSP chapter had taken the classes I was having trouble with, or they could tell me what professors not to take, or when the best time in the year to take a certain class. When I first joined ADPi, I didn't really have that connection because I was one of very few business majors at the time, and I was also the only one in my entire chapter with my major. Nothing at all wrong with that, but it was good to know that I still had people I could talk to if I had questions about the business courses. The cool thing is that I connected with ADPi members on other areas and that's why I love ADPi too


Like everything in life, your experiences in professional/service/other GLOs and even your social GLO is what you make out of it. If you want it to be something just to put on your resume, then that is all it ever will be. If you want it to be a fun organization filled with people you connect with, and experiences you'll never forget, then that's what it will be.

Originally posted by Optimist Prime
Because they were created with very different intentions. Most of the professional fraternities center around one major. At most campuses..camp uh...campi, they exist to bring people together who are interested in for say, real estate, or business, or psychology, etc. They count and are good for resume as leadership expeirnce but in social glos, you are there because you want to be, you say to other people, by being in a Fraternity, that these men here with me are my Brothers and I love them, and we have all sworn on what we hold most sacred to keep the vows of true friendship, upon which Brotherhood is based. A Fraternity is a group of friends, who are so close to each other that it feels like family. That is what being means. Just because you have a cool t shirt and a secret handshake and maybe called brother, doesn't mean its the same thing. I have brothers who were in other pseudo greek orgs. No one can be more than one type of Greek. You can't be from two city-states at the ancient olympics, so when it comes down to it, which are you're letters, its always the one that represtes the people that you choose to be friends with.

[AOII_LB93]

Originally posted by Jill1228
AOII_LB93 you SO are my new hero!

LOL thanks...I was just saying what I thought. BTW happy belated b-day, and happy new year for that matter.

[SmartBlondeGPhB]

I was in a business fraternity in college as well as Gamma Phi (probably about half the membership was in a social GLO), but it will never hold as much importance as Gamma Phi does. There was quite a bit of social elements during school but not much in the way of feeling of continuation when I graduated.

[jubilance1922]

Hmmm....so you love one org less than the other if you don't have naila on your car?

I pledged Alpha Chi Sigma Professional Chemistry Fraternity before I pledged Sigma Gamma Rho. AXE functions more like a social glo than a professional one, and I actually did more partying with my AXE brothers than I did with my SGRho sorors. Do I love AXE less because there is SGRho on my car instead of AXE? NO! AXE and my brothers in the fraternity will always be special and important to me, just as SGRho and my sorors will be important to me. I have SGRho on my car, and more naila for my sorority simply because its made in a much bigger quantity than it is for my prof. fraternity. But I still proudly wear my AXE items just as I proudly wear my sorority items.

So in conclusion, this thread is stupid.

[ManOfPrinciple]

I want it to be clear my statment refers only to my campus and my personal experiance.

When people on our campus say "Greek" they are not refering to service or professional glos.

Service and professional glos do not have reserved floors in the dorms or houses on campus. They do not participate, atleast to my knowledge, in homecomming (king/queen) or greek week competitions.

Members of these groups don't even consider themselves to be greek, unless associated with a social glo.

This isn't in any way to degrade these orginizations, they are simply a different sort.

[starang21]

Originally posted by Think About It
The only reason I'm posting this (and another thread I will post later) under a different name is because, since the topic might cause tension, I didn't want other GCers to think of me badly.

you ask an honest question. who cares what the other people on this site think? unless you have actual interpersonal relations with them off of the computer, they should be random screen names and their opinions should be meaningless.

i'm a member of chi epsilon Civil Engineering Honor Society...and an Iota man. the bruhs are WAY more important to me than XE is. it was something i just did to pad my resume and hang out with otheR CEs.

[roqueemae]

Oh fun! Where to start?

1. Who do we normally see posting that has not posted here yet? I can think of a few. Would one of them be the mysterious Think About It?

2. I have to deal with this in greek affairs constantly. Our office exists ONLY for NPC/IFC/NPHC orgs. I send them someplace else for APO, PMA, and SAI.

3. I never see anyone wearing letters for any honorary or professional society (wouldn't the Pharmacy org have fun with all of the PX castoffs from NPCs everywhere). I do see a few PMA and OPA letter shirts aroung. Our OPA is generally used as a stepping stone to get into NPHC sororities (service hours and involvement on campus). I didn't even realize it was co-ed until Greek Chat. Once they join the NPHC sorority, I never see OPA letters again.

4. I do agree strongly with those who said that the purpose of social fraternities tends to make them more meaningful to their members. IT WAS MEANT TO BE. Social organizations are all encompasing. A professional society only caters to the professional aspects of a person. I know Phi Mu helps in networking, friendship, service, scholarship.....

5. Many professional societies do little more than hold initiation once a year. It is hard to find much meaning in an open ritual read out of a folder. (thaks Nut BrnHair) And especially when the invitation to join comes in a mass mailing from a university office.

[KSUViolet06]

I agree with the point that love has nothing to do with whose letters you have more of. That's absolutely silly. Or whose letters you have on your car.

Both my orgs are special to me. Alot of folks don't understand that it's not that you love one better than the other, it's just a matter of them both fulfulling different purposes in your life.

I don't compare Kappa Phi and Sigma because I simply can't. Kappa isn't a sorority, so it offers something different to me that Sigma does not. Just as Sigma isn't a Christ centered service group and offers different things than Kappa. Alot of people WRONGFULLY equate different with inferior.

Also, I joined Kappa freshman year. I joined Sigma spring sophomore year. So I was used to being 200% Kappa Phi and it was overwhelming at first, but I'm slowly developing balance, that's what it takes and it's not easy.

Not to down those who are solely involved in non-NPC/NPHC orgs, but many of those commenting seem to look down on dual members, not realizing that it can be hard to get used to. I've dealt with the accusations of "side choosing" from both sides of the fence. People don't get that just because I miss COR for a Kappa meeting or miss Kappa for recruitment DOESN'T mean that I love either any less.

Think About It, and others, if you're not in an NPC/NPHC and another organization, while you have your opinions/thoughts, it's hard for you to speculate on what we think/feel because your loyalties only lie with ONE org.

And when it all comes down to it-letters aside- I know ALL my sisters (both Sigma & Kappa Phi) would be there for me in my times of need.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally posted by Think About It




In my observations here on GC, I've seen many, many posters who are in more than one GLO. What bothers me is that sometimes the poster only includes the letters for ONE of their groups in their sig, or if both are there...the NPC/NPHC is always larger, and above the other! This, too, makes it look like the non NPC was just an afterthought, or not as important to them.

A reason for this might be that while this forum is for the discussion of ALL (service,social) Greek life, most of the discussion on the boards involves social greeks and deals with their social greek experience. Just a thought. And if you're not a dual member of any 2 orgs, why do you let this bother you to the point of making a new username and posting a thread?

[Tom Earp]

Ah, is there a difference?

In a nut shell, yes.

There are different agendas by each type of Greek Lettered Name/Organization.

It makes no difference what a Chapter feels about social aspects, but how they are catagorized.

It boils down to what the people feel toward the Group that they belong to.

I was, a, and am a Member of APO, but, My Love and Heart and doing is with LXA! I have never forgot what I have done and did with APO.

I suggest none of you do either!

[jubilance1922]

Originally posted by roqueemae
Oh fun! Where to start?
3. I never see anyone wearing letters for any honorary or professional society (wouldn't the Pharmacy org have fun with all of the PX castoffs from NPCs everywhere). I do see a few PMA and OPA letter shirts aroung. Our OPA is generally used as a stepping stone to get into NPHC sororities (service hours and involvement on campus). I didn't even realize it was co-ed until Greek Chat. Once they join the NPHC sorority, I never see OPA letters again.

5. Many professional societies do little more than hold initiation once a year. It is hard to find much meaning in an open ritual read out of a folder. (thaks Nut BrnHair) And especially when the invitation to join comes in a mass mailing from a university office.

The two statements you made aren't always true...it would depend on the campus. At my alma mater, you saw just as many shirts for professional glos as you did for social glos. All the professional glos have houses, so they do many social events as well.