Former Sisters Forming a New Group

[PGHLady]

Originally posted by honeychile
Cosign!!! You certainly don't have to have gone to Pitt to get together with us (right, 33Girl? ); it would be great to meet you!!

Actually, I did go to Pitt! We live in Pittsburgh but are planning to move outside of Allegheny County - in part due to the taxes here. Thanks for the invitation, and maybe something could work out before we leave!

PGHLady

[BluePrincess13]

I am in Kappa Delta Chi and I know for a fact that we do not allow any former member of a sorority to rush us. Meaning if you have been initiated by another sorority we will not take you.

Can you tell us what organization they are trying to form? If you don't want to post you can send it to me personally


Another thing to look at is that maybe this Latina Sorority doesn't know that these ladies are former members and that is why they are allowing them to start a colony.



By the way this is my first post... Blue is my fave color can you tell!!

[Little E]

I'm sorry that you guys are hurt, but your chapter just has to let it go. It is the responsibility of the Latina Nat'l to check our the women. Not yours to go running to them unless they ask you. The situation sucks, but getting to hung up on figuring out if they are allowed gets no one anywhere. Get your sisters to move on and hold no anomosity toward this group. If more diversity is needed work on that, if sisterhood needs to be strengthened, work on that. But honestly, they don't want to be part of your group, the chapter really needs to let that go and move on. I'm sure you are all very wonderful women, let that shine through, not the insecurity.

[Tom Earp]

LITTL E, good go on that.!

About says it all in a nut shell.

Dont dwell on the past, grow to the future!

They left for a reason!

[LatinaAlumna]

Originally posted by texas*princess


Someone earlier in the thread said they don't want anyone "sorority hopping" to be members of *their* sorority, but unless their national or local org. has very explicit rules about it, chances are in reality it has probably happened. Are they any less of a sister to you if you knew they once belonged to another sorority whether it be local, national, regional? I would hope not.

That was me, and yes, we have explicit rules about it, and you might be surprised at just how easy it is to discover something like this

[LatinaAlumna]

Originally posted by carol9a
Honestly, I really think there are no specific rules as far as recruitment goes for all of the NALFO GLOs. Meaning, no rules over time you must wait if you disaffiliate from a sorority or fraternity, or specifics like, say, a "no frills" engagement (although most dont do this, just stating an example), to how finances are used for rush. Most rules for recruitment are addressed by the sorority's headquarters. Right now, NALFO is just serving as a vehicle for discussion on ways to improve its respective GLOs, but I dont think they really govern them the way the NPC, IFC or NPHC counsels do.
Any other people who are familiar with LGLOs, please correct if I'm wrong.

Even if NALFO were to become a governing council and had guidelines for various things, I doubt they would have a specific guideline about disafilliating from one NALFO sorority to join another NALFO sorority...because...well...people just don't do that. I'm not saying that no woman EVER has, but usually if a Latina sorority member decides to leave, she just walks away from greek life and goes her own way. In the majority of cases that I know of, the woman just went inactive. I've only heard of one case in which someone actually turned in her letters.

Side note: NALFO is about unifying its member organizations. It is up to each individual LGLO to strengthen itself. Also, not every LGLO is a member of NALFO.

[texas*princess]

Originally posted by LatinaAlumna
That was me, and yes, we have explicit rules about it, and you might be surprised at just how easy it is to discover something like this.

That's good... then your organzation should have no problems with former members of other local, regional or NPC national organizations seeking membership into your sorority. If other types of sororities (like locals or NPCs) don't have explicit rules about it, and it is something they need to prevent from happening for whatever reasons, it is up to them to make those regulations just like NPC did when they decided women cannot pursue membership into another NPC sorority if they are already an initiated member of another NPC sorority.

I probably wouldn't be surprised as to how easy it is to discover things like that, because it happens all the time -- some sororities find that pnm's embellished their recruitment application forms.... that they were members of other NPC organizations... and other things like that. The neat thing about GLOs is our networks, so I'm sure it wouldn't be hard at all to discover something to see if they were members of a previous organization.

Looking back at your first post in the thread you posted: "I also don't agree with people leaving their organization especially if the sorority is national, because the sorority is bigger than just the chapter someone is initiated at. They probably could have found other ways to be involved if they were not getting along with members of their local chapter."

I asked this earlier in the thread, but I guess it got buried -- why does it matter if the organization the person was previously a member of was national (like a different national conference like NPC) or local? You said "especially if the sorority is national"... I can understand that it might be different because there are obviously more chapters than the few that a local or regional might have, but what is the real difference? Locals have everything nationals do - except some rules and the obvious lack of a national HQ and multiple chapters.

Even if NALFO were to become a governing council and had guidelines for various things, I doubt they would have a specific guideline about disafilliating from one NALFO sorority to join another NALFO sorority...because...well...people just don't do that. I'm not saying that no woman EVER has, but usually if a Latina sorority member decides to leave, she just walks away from greek life and goes her own way. In the majority of cases that I know of, the woman just went inactive. I've only heard of one case in which someone actually turned in her letters.

Do they have policies on members disaffiliated barring them from joining another type of organization? NPC? locals? I'm just curious so I thought I would ask. A KDChi member posted (a few posts ago) that they do not accept anyone who has previously been a member of another GLO which I thought was interesting because some of the women who left the same local I left joined KDChi.

Also - going "inactive" ranges from group to group. I can't speak for any other NPC or any local organizations, but in ADPi, you need extremely special circumstances in order to file for inactive status and that status is good for only 1 year. So sometimes women turn in their pins because there is no other way... we can't just go inactive whenever we can't put forth the time committment or when something isn't going right in the chapter and we just want a break.. or any other random situations like that. Any ADPi's please correct me if this is not correct, that is just the way I always understood it. This policy varies from group to group - whether they are national, latina, local, whatever, so sometimes when things aren't working out.. or some members are unhappy or they don't have the time to commit to it, sometimes the option is only to deactivate. If members left just because they didn't have the time committment for it, or something like that, it is highly unlikely (IMHO) that those women would go out to start another sorority or join another one. Usually the women (IMHO and experience) who either join other organzations or start new ones is because they saw something in the organization (the one they are either joining or starting up) that they didn't have in their previous GLO that meant enough to them to move forward and join or begin the building process.

[LatinaAlumna]

Originally posted by texas*princess
That's good... then your organzation should have no problems with former members of other local, regional or NPC national organizations seeking membership into your sorority.

We have no problems with them seeking membership? I did mention that we don't allow it, so in that sense, you are correct-it is not a problem for us.

Looking back at your first post in the thread you posted: "I also don't agree with people leaving their organization especially if the sorority is national, because the sorority is bigger than just the chapter someone is initiated at. They probably could have found other ways to be involved if they were not getting along with members of their local chapter."

I asked this earlier in the thread, but I guess it got buried -- why does it matter if the organization the person was previously a member of was national (like a different national conference like NPC) or local? You said "especially if the sorority is national"... I can understand that it might be different because there are obviously more chapters than the few that a local or regional might have, but what is the real difference? Locals have everything nationals do - except some rules and the obvious lack of a national HQ and multiple chapters.

My comment was made exactly because (in your words), "there are obviously more chapters than the few that a local or regional might have." Are you attempting to turn my words into a "national vs. local vs. regional" debate? Please don't--I'm "not the one" for that, as when I joined my sorority, there were only 9 chapters, pretty much confined to one area. Now we are national.

Do they have policies on members disaffiliated barring them from joining another type of organization? NPC? locals? I'm just curious so I thought I would ask. A KDChi member posted (a few posts ago) that they do not accept anyone who has previously been a member of another GLO which I thought was interesting because some of the women who left the same local I left joined KDChi.

Some of the individual LGLOs in NALFO may or may not allow disaffiliated women/men to pursue membership. It is up to each organization.

[texas*princess]

Originally posted by LatinaAlumna
We have no problems with them seeking membership? I did mention that we don't allow it, so in that sense, you are correct--t is not a problem for us.

That's just what I meant - like if they were already an initated member, deactivated, and tried joining your GLO, they obviously couldn't b/c of your rules against it. So in a hypothetical world if the women who disaffiliated from the original poster's chapter tried forming a colony of your sorority it wouldn't work out b/c of your rules against it. That's the only real circumstance that another national organization would have a problem with women who want to colonize the sorority. (The original poster said "...as I tried to explain to them why it could it was upsetting that this Latina national org wouldnt care that at one point they were in a national panhellenic sorority.) So basically it wouldn't be a big deal to the Latina national org unless they had rules against it... I hope that makes sense. I wasn't trying to single you out or anything, just thought that might help the original poster understand that the Latina national org might not have rules about it and have already accepted the women who want to help with the founding of the organization.

My comment was made exactly because (in your words), "there are obviously more chapters than the few that a local or regional might have." Are you attempting to turn my words into a "national vs. local vs. regional" debate? Please don't--I'm "not the one" for that, as when I joined my sorority, there were only 9 chapters, pretty much confined to one area. Now we are national.

I had no intentions of turning this into a national/local debate. I was just curious as to why you (and the original poster) felt it meant more if it was national vs. regional or local. They cherish their history and ritual as much as the rest of the GLOs, so I didn't know if it was just a "size" issue which was why I asked.

Thanks for your insight...it's always great to hear perspectives from other GLOs.

[azdtaxi]

As for if I think it is just national to go local I say no ... I think I would feel the same if I was in a local and one of our girls quit and eventually went national.

I was just trying to figure it if the non NPC orgs had rules being in one sorority and joining another. I understand that this is a basic NPC rule and only says that you cant go from one NPC to another. But then it almost seems weird that NPC has these rules but other orgs don't have rules like it.

Originally posted by texas*princess
I probably wouldn't be surprised as to how easy it is to discover things like that, because it happens all the time -- some sororities find that pnm's embellished their recruitment application forms.... that they were members of other NPC organizations... and other things like that. The neat thing about GLOs is our networks, so I'm sure it wouldn't be hard at all to discover something to see if they were members of a previous organization.

Do they have policies on members disaffiliated barring them from joining another type of organization? NPC? locals? I'm just curious so I thought I would ask. A KDChi member posted (a few posts ago) that they do not accept anyone who has previously been a member of another GLO which I thought was interesting because some of the women who left the same local I left joined KDChi.

So...I'm assuming that the KDChi national board doesnt know that disaffiliated NPC girls are starting their colony?????

I was just trying to figure it if the non NPC orgs had rules being in one sorority and joining another. I understand that this is a basic NPC rule and only says that you cant go from one NPC to another. But then it almost seems weird that NPC has these rules but other orgs don't have rules like it.

Maybe they wanted no "sorority hopping" like mentioned earlier. I think mostly what it is is that knowing that you must wait to rush again ( like in NPC rules where you must wait a year) it really gives you time to think about what you're doing. If girls were allowed to "hop" from one sorority to another, REGARDLESS of conference affiliation, it certainly seems to discredit the unity and the loyalty that whatever organization wanted to foster.

However, I do agree with the general sentiment that if a girl's not happy, she's not happy, so let her join an org that makes her happy.

[texas*princess]

Originally posted by carol9a
So...I'm assuming that the KDChi national board doesnt know that disaffiliated NPC girls are starting their colony?????

Actually it was not an NPC - it was a local sorority. The "breakup" of the local group splitting in 2 was well-known all around campus (very small school)... KDChi had been wanting to colonize there for about a year before the breakup of the local happened, and their colonization began shortly after the breakup of the local.

[DST4A00]

HIJACK

Originally posted by texas*princess
I was once a member of a local sorority, as were many of my close friends from the first university I went to.

I've heard another girl say this and, forgive me
- If it's posted in another thread (direct me)
- If it's not mine to know
or
- If I have offended anyone

But I went to an HBCU, we didn't have GLOs (or at least not ones with any white members) So I don't really understand how you are no longer a part of a sorority/fraternity

PLEASE EXPLAIN

sorry if this didn't make any sense

END HIJACK

[adpiucf]

If members of your chapter are cancelling their memberships and going off to form their own club, let them go. Better to allow your chapter to weed itself of unhappy members who don't gel with the rest of the group. Best of luck to the new club, and don't worry yourself about it. You have other fish to fry.

To the other person who asked, if you are an initiated member and no longer want to be a member of a GLO, you cancel your membership, and you are no longer a member. In the case of most inter/national social greek groups, once you do this, you aren't eligible to join another inter/national social greek. Sometimes you might have violated enough of the rules of the GLO to be cancelled involuntarily.

[texas*princess]

Originally posted by DST4A00
[B]HIJACK

I've heard another girl say this and, forgive me
- If it's posted in another thread (direct me)
- If it's not mine to know
or
- If I have offended anyone

But I went to an HBCU, we didn't have GLOs (or at least not ones with any white members) So I don't really understand how you are no longer a part of a sorority/fraternity

How it is possible: I signed a form stating I no longer wished to be a member of the sorority, and turned in my pin. Like adpiucf said, membership in most all GLOs works boths ways - it can be terminated out of the member's own free will, or it can be terminated as a result of major infractions against whatever rules of conduct (or risk management issues or things of that nature)