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10-03-2004, 04:17 PM
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Originally posted by SSS1365
Yes it is the Texas Rangers that hold the rights to the name. So DC may have to pay a lot of money to get that name back... but I just can't see the team being called anything else.
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Did the Rangers buy that name from the Twins?
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10-03-2004, 05:39 PM
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Did the Rangers buy that name from the Twins?
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I might not have all the facts completely straight, but from what I understand, the Washington Senators became the Minnesota Twins the first time, but the Twins didn't keep the rights to the name. Then, when DC got a team the second time, they were again called the Senators... but then became the Texas Rangers, and the Rangers did retain the rights to the name. Somebody feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I got this info from Mr. SSS and he said he wasn't completely sure about what happened with the Twins.
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10-03-2004, 05:52 PM
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Why did the Rangers keep the rights? Was the move supposed to be temporary?
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10-03-2004, 06:00 PM
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Why did the Rangers keep the rights? Was the move supposed to be temporary?
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Because it's the history of the team.
Much the same way that the Tennesee Titans still hold the rights of the Houston Oilers and records for the Titans carry over from the Oiler years.
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10-03-2004, 06:10 PM
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Because it's the history of the team.
Much the same way that the Tennesee Titans still hold the rights of the Houston Oilers and records for the Titans carry over from the Oiler years.
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Not all teams retain such rights, even though its their history. When the Cleveland Browns moved to Baltimore, they intentionally let the name remain for a future Cleveland Browns football team. This was a classy move by the Ravens. Lets see if the Texas Rangers organization care about the greater good of baseball, and the baseball heritage of Washington D.C. Especially when they weren't the Washington Senators for that long.
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10-03-2004, 06:30 PM
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Originally posted by PhiPsiRuss
Not all teams retain such rights, even though its their history. When the Cleveland Browns moved to Baltimore, they intentionally let the name remain for a future Cleveland Browns football team. This was a classy move by the Ravens. Lets see if the Texas Rangers organization care about the greater good of baseball, and the baseball heritage of Washington D.C. Especially when they weren't the Washington Senators for that long.
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You bring up an interesting point.
This team will always have the history of the Expos. Despite not being in Montreal, current players will be competeing with former Expos for team records.
The Browns thing was a special case scenario.
Why should the Rangers have to give up their history? Obviously Washington didn't do enough to keep the Senators the first two times they were there, why should they have to erase their team records? Come up with something creative. When Colorado got an NHL team back(the Avalanche) they got a new name, they didn't resurrect the name "Rockies", because i'm sure the Devils still hold the rights to that.
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10-03-2004, 06:37 PM
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Originally posted by AggieSigmaNu361
You bring up an interesting point.
This team will always have the history of the Expos. Despite not being in Montreal, current players will be competeing with former Expos for team records.
The Browns thing was a special case scenario.
Why should the Rangers have to give up their history? Obviously Washington didn't do enough to keep the Senators the first two times they were there, why should they have to erase their team records? Come up with something creative. When Colorado got an NHL team back(the Avalanche) they got a new name, they didn't resurrect the name "Rockies", because i'm sure the Devils still hold the rights to that.
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I'm not suggesting that the Texas Rangers loose their team records. The Rangers don't have access to the team records of the firss.t Washington Senators. The Baltimore Orioles don't have access to the records of the first Baltimore Orioles. The Expos should not have access to the team records of the second Washington Senators. Only the Rangers should have that.
If the Rangers' team history can deal with a Washington Senators team that existed before that franchise, they should be able to deal with a Washington Senators team that comes into being soon.
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10-03-2004, 07:09 PM
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Originally posted by AggieSigmaNu361
Why should the Rangers have to give up their history? Obviously Washington didn't do enough to keep the Senators the first two times they were there, why should they have to erase their team records? Come up with something creative. When Colorado got an NHL team back(the Avalanche) they got a new name, they didn't resurrect the name "Rockies", because i'm sure the Devils still hold the rights to that.
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I thought Colorado decided on the name Avalanche because Colorado's MLB team is also the Rockies. I think what should happen when a team leaves a city is for them to sell their name back to the league (unless they want to retain the name in the new city). That way, if a team ever comes back to said city, they'd have a choice to recycle the name or choose something new.
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10-03-2004, 08:31 PM
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This was a classy move by the Ravens.
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sorry but no matter the circumstance, the words "classy" and "Ravens" should never ever appear in the same sentence....(insert barfing icon here)
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10-04-2004, 03:13 PM
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Amen. Go Redskins.
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10-05-2004, 01:04 AM
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Heard the local night clubs are fighting the city's plans to buy/condemn them so that the new stadium can be built near the Anacosta River area.
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10-05-2004, 09:50 AM
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Originally posted by AggieSigmaNu361
Why should the Rangers have to give up their history? Obviously Washington didn't do enough to keep the Senators the first two times they were there, why should they have to erase their team records? Come up with something creative. When Colorado got an NHL team back(the Avalanche) they got a new name, they didn't resurrect the name "Rockies", because i'm sure the Devils still hold the rights to that.
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the "Rockies" thing not withstanding ...
The SENATORS name is NOT the legacy of the frigging Rangers - they weren't even the originals, for christ sake.
It's been done a couple times already, so let the 'spos be the Senators again, and let the Rangers keep their records - it's not like anyone will try to change Big Train Walter Johnson's plaque in Cooperstown to have a Youppi! on it.
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10-05-2004, 11:57 AM
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Heard the local night clubs are fighting the city's plans to buy/condemn them so that the new stadium can be built near the Anacosta River area.
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This is true.
See, this wouldn't have been an issue if the team was moving to Northern VA... there's plenty of room out by Dulles for a stadium.  
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10-05-2004, 01:46 PM
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Didn't someone important once own a substantial part of the Texas Rangers? Maybe he has some pull.
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10-05-2004, 01:58 PM
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Didn't someone important once own a substantial part of the Texas Rangers? Maybe he has some pull.
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And now he lives in DC. How fitting.
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