The Bias of the Media on Iraq

[_Opi_]

Then why are you talking about Iraq, if you aren't an Iraqi resident?



**just trying to follow your logic here **

[Rudey]

Originally posted by _Opi_
Then why are you talking about Iraq, if you aren't an Iraqi resident?



**just trying to follow your logic here **

I am American. America is currently rebuilding Iraq. The topic of this thread was on positive news stories on Iraq and its rebuilding. Get it? I'm American?? Get it???

Furthermore I came on here to discuss actual news stories with facts and numbers and not some third hand stories and fables that my friends have told me.

Are you done embarassing yourself because English is as foreign to you as logic?

-Rudey

[_Opi_]

You are sooo American!!! Good for you....let the rest of the world jump up for joy ...


And English happens to be my second language. At least I am not embarassed of my two nationalities

[Rudey]

Originally posted by _Opi_
You are sooo American!!! Good for you....let the rest of the world jump up for joy ...


And English happens to be my second language. At least I am not embarassed of my two nationalities

So basically you are awful at English and at logic/thinking. Please stop posting then.

By the way I believe English was either my 3rd or 4th language. You're proud of your two nationalities? At least? Jesus lady what does that even mean?? What does it have to do with anything?? Nice little dhimi girl.

-Rudey

[_Opi_]

Originally posted by Rudey
So basically you are awful at English and at logic/thinking. Please stop posting then.
-Rudey

Wouldn't you love that?

Do learn how to discuss issues with out character assasinations rudey. That .....is an advice.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by _Opi_
Wouldn't you love that?

Do learn how to discuss issues with out character assasinations rudey. That .....is an advice.

"Character assasinations"?

You were wrong and had started to talk about logic and also had difficulty reading English even bringing up that English was your second language. It's OK. Thanks for your input in this thread.

-Rudey

[Rudey]

Originally posted by DeltAlum
"The more people believe passionately in an issue, the less they want to see anything critical about it in a paper. People want to see only the justification of the conclusion they've already reached. I think my highest concern as a journalist is not to become a propagandist, and so I get an almost mischievous delight in going against the grain."
- TONY AUTH, political cartoonist, 2003, on questioning prevailing "Wisdom"

The thing is that all that's in the paper is the critical and the bad and the negative. I understand that there is only so much room for material but really does the killing have to dominate over anything and everything good in the media?

-Rudey

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by _Opi_
You are sooo American!!! Good for you....let the rest of the world jump up for joy ...


And English happens to be my second language. At least I am not embarassed of my two nationalities

Are you embarrassed that you have chosen to . . .

A - Engage in vicious stereotyping - ironically, very similar to that which you claim to abhor in Americans - regarding America and American citizens

B - Accept anecdotal evidence as some sort of 'fact', a clear logical fallacy

C - Allow latency and emotional ties to cloud your opinions, then opine about how silly it is that everyone else doesn't share those clouded, biased opinions.


Look, I'm sorry that your friend's cousin was raped - but terms like "left and right" have no place in a logical argument, and you look foolish defending these views.

It's rather popular (rather than 'populist') to argue that there's no rational benefit to war . . . however, there are certainly positives to a people who were being abased, abused, and literally robbed by a genocidal dictator.

War is hell; however, life as an Iraqi citizen was hellish as well - and even more so if you were, say, a Kurd. I feel no remorse for war actions that lead to the removal of a man willing to use mustard gas.

Again, I'm sorry to hear about your friend's situation, but honestly I think you're way off point here, and perhaps should spend some time removing yourself from the situation and attempting to be more objective.

[_Opi_]

Originally posted by KSig RC
Are you embarrassed that you have chosen to . . .

A - Engage in vicious stereotyping - ironically, very similar to that which you claim to abhor in Americans - regarding America and American citizens

B - Accept anecdotal evidence as some sort of 'fact', a clear logical fallacy

C - Allow latency and emotional ties to cloud your opinions, then opine about how silly it is that everyone else doesn't share those clouded, biased opinions.

A. I never stereotyped Americans. When and where did I say that? I do have my political leanings, but who doesn't? But I don't see where I said, Americans are this or that.

B. Actually if you notice my first post, I said "my friend told me.....", and I didn't say this is my clear, cold-cut opinion. War sucks, I know about the ugly side of war, and that alot of tragic things happen during war...but I don't see how what I said did not make sense. Oh my bad for using "left, right and center"..that's just my daily language..not what I would actually write..in say...an English class..and people say worse things here..so what? I just meant to emphasize that my friend told that rapes and kidnappings have INCREASED since the war started.

C. I don't think that I am the only emotional person here RCooper. When my faith is constantly under attack on GC, I will stand up for it. When people make false comments about Islam, I will tell 'em if they are wrong. are you calling this clouded?



So no, I don't feel embarassed. Should I be? cuz you and told me to? *lol*

[Rudey]

What is this person talking about?

Woman we created a thread for you about your religion in the past. Nobody has any clue what you're talking about now. RCooper? What? Your religion under attack when people are talking about rebuilding of Iraq? What??

-Rudey
--Please let us discuss the rebuilding efforts and positive news.

Originally posted by _Opi_
A. I never stereotyped Americans. When and where did I say that? I do have my political leanings, but who doesn't? But I don't see where I said, Americans are this or that.

B. Actually if you notice my first post, I said "my friend told me.....", and I didn't say this is my clear, cold-cut opinion. War sucks, I know about the ugly side of war, and that alot of tragic things happen during war...but I don't see how what I said did not make sense. Oh my bad for using "left, right and center"..that's just my daily language..not what I would actually write..in say...an English class..and people say worse things here..so what? I just meant to emphasize that my friend told that rapes and kidnappings have INCREASED since the war started.

C. I don't think that I am the only emotional person here RCooper. When my faith is constantly under attack on GC, I will stand up for it. When people make false comments about Islam, I will tell 'em if they are wrong. are you calling this clouded?



So no, I don't feel embarassed. Should I be? cuz you and told me to? *lol*

[_Opi_]

^ You are the king of sticking to topics, rudey.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by _Opi_
^ You are the king of sticking to topics, rudey.

What are you talking about? If you don't like this topic don't read it. Let us talk about this topic.

-Rudey

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by _Opi_
A. I never stereotyped Americans. When and where did I say that? I do have my political leanings, but who doesn't? But I don't see where I said, Americans are this or that.

I was utilizing your past posts here - in this thread, you have strayed from making any definite statements, but there have been backhanded elements, no? Either way - I'm just pointing out that these aren't going unnoticed.

Originally posted by _Opi_
B. Actually if you notice my first post, I said "my friend told me.....", and I didn't say this is my clear, cold-cut opinion. War sucks, I know about the ugly side of war, and that alot of tragic things happen during war...but I don't see how what I said did not make sense. Oh my bad for using "left, right and center"..that's just my daily language..not what I would actually write..in say...an English class..and people say worse things here..so what? I just meant to emphasize that my friend told that rapes and kidnappings have INCREASED since the war started.

And I'm telling you that this is anecdotal evidence, which has no bearing on legitimate discussion. The language part, that's cool - it's colloquial, we'll let it slide. However, using "a friend told me ..." is the classic logical argumentative fallacy. Just saying.

Originally posted by _Opi_
C. I don't think that I am the only emotional person here RCooper. When my faith is constantly under attack on GC, I will stand up for it. When people make false comments about Islam, I will tell 'em if they are wrong. are you calling this clouded?

OK - well, I'm not RACooper, so hopefully this wasn't backhanded towards him, b/c none of this applies to me.

Your faith? When did that become part of this discussion? This is either non sequitur or a strawman, and either way it is a basic appeal to emotional authority - again, a logical fallacy.

The 'clouded' part is that you've allowed something horrible that happened to someone connected to you (emotion), as well as the fact that it's the 'latest' thing you've heard (latency), to cloud what should otherwise be pretty straightforward (hussein 100%, unilaterally, had to go).

I'm calling THAT clouded; nowhere does this include religion.

Originally posted by _Opi_
So no, I don't feel embarassed. Should I be? cuz you and told me to? *lol*

I'm telling you why you should be suspect of your own arguments - if you choose to be embarrassed, good for you, you're learning! If not, hey, life is bueno for me, I'm going to hit lunch hour like a ton of bricks either way, boss.

[_Opi_]

Originally posted by KSig RC

OK - well, I'm not RACooper, so hopefully this wasn't backhanded towards him, b/c none of this applies to me.

Oh my bad, y'all have similar names.


To the rest of your post,

How about you send me a rule book, and we'll call it a day.

I was utilizing your past posts here - in this thread, you have strayed from making any definite statements, but there have been backhanded elements, no? Either way - I'm just pointing out that these aren't going unnoticed.

What would those backhanded elements be? I am confused? Why don't you be a good samaritan and point 'em out because my whole intention was not to sound anti-american, because that I am not (regardless of what some folks here may think).

But since you weren't part of the previous discussion, my faith was dissected and stereotyped by some posters who shall remain nameless. One member in particular likes to make references to my affiliations, as opposed to topics being discussed (I think he would enjoy your rule book as well). So you missed a few things...

[Rudey]

Originally posted by _Opi_
Oh my bad, y'all have similar names.

K Sig RC
RACooper

Nothing similar really.

-Rudey
--Please stop digressing in my thread - especially when you're wrong!