Churchgoers Get Direction From Bush Campaign

[IowaStatePhiPsi]

how did we jump to morality when we were arguing about religion?

I'll argue religion: Byrd was a retard for voting to put God onto currency and in the pledge.
As for morals: you can have morals seperate from religion, you should learn this as it is important in a secular society.

[Kevin]

Originally posted by IowaStatePhiPsi
how did we jump to morality when we were arguing about religion?

I'll argue religion: Byrd was a retard for voting to put God onto currency and in the pledge.
As for morals: you can have morals seperate from religion, you should learn this as it is important in a secular society.

So you think Byrd was an idiot for voting that way. Okay.

He's liberal and he still believes that was one of the best things he ever did.

You stated that liberals do not legislate their religion on people. I provided you with an example (I'm sure there are plenty more) of a time where liberals did exactly that. All you have to say is that yes, sometimes liberals legislate their religion and force their beliefs on us.

I know and I think you know that what you said is a generalization that you have no way of supporting. All you have to do is admit that you were wrong.

[IowaStatePhiPsi]

I said recently and you gave me a vote from 1952.
If 1952 was recent then let's look at the immediate past- 1789 when we didnt put religion into the constitution.

[Kevin]

Originally posted by IowaStatePhiPsi
I said recently and you gave me a vote from 1952.
If 1952 was recent then let's look at the immediate past- 1789 when we didnt put religion into the constitution.

I gave you a statement by a Senator that voted in 1952 who is still in Congress. The statement was made within the last 5 years.

[The1calledTKE]

I am catholic and liberal. I think the under god being blamed on catholics is just silly. Like ktsnake said catholics were not powerful politicans in those days. It was voted in by christians in general and was not forced in by one group. If they were so influential you would think they would be a political power house anyone running for office had to get approval from first.

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by ktsnake
And if you really believe that liberals never legislate religion, how do you reconcile Robert Byrd's fairly recent statement with your belief?

I'm waiting for you to actually address that instead of blaming it on the Catholics.

I'm just waiting for him to realize that there's liberal Catholics.

[Kevin]

Originally posted by The1calledTKE
I am catholic and liberal. I think the under god being blamed on catholics is just silly. Like ktsnake said catholics were not powerful politicans in those days. It was voted in by christians in general and was not forced in by one group. If they were so influential you would think they would be a political power house anyone running for office had to get approval from first.

I don't think he's capable of admitting he was wrong.

For a history major, he sure doesn't know much about history.

[Rudey]

News flash: The evangelical movement and most religious people through Carter were...DEMOCRATS!

-Rudey

[The1calledTKE]

Originally posted by Rudey
News flash: The evangelical movement and most religious people through Carter were...DEMOCRATS!

-Rudey

Yep to his credit he had "lust in his heart" though.

Rudey is right. A lot of democrats are relgious. Just not all vote by how their reglion feels on the subject. I don't see many Democrats voting to remove it either because it probably would be politcal suicide especially in the south.