Public Housing

[Phasad1913]

Welfare to work is federal law. People in public housing have to either volunteer in the community 24 hours a month or have a job to live there. (unless they are over 65 or disabled) Same goes for Section 8. Clinton put it to the congress in ’99 and it passed as law.

MAN it feels good to be right! ktsnake knows what I'm talking about

[Kevin]

Originally posted by Phasad1913
MAN it feels good to be right! ktsnake knows what I'm talking about

So they attempt to get a job and do some small amount of volunteer work. 24 hours? That's about 3 days of actual work.
Big effin' deal.

What lifesaver and whinney were talking about are social services in New York and Texas. Those are two states that have VASTLY more resources than Oklahoma -- not to mention higher-quality, better educated, better paid Social Workers.

I didn't say the program is bad. My argument is that it IS abused. I don't see anyone disagreeing with me on the point that abuses happen. I was never arguing in absolute terms -- and I hope that y'all aren't either.

[Phasad1913]

No no no no no. Lifesaver said...and the law states, that these people (those who have to utilize public services) HAVE to be working in order to maintain their benefits. If they are not or if something happens, other arrangements can be made, but in the end, if they aren't working, they get kicked off the system.

I hope you learn to speak in more absolute terms if you plan to be an attorney. The generalization and inadequate paraphrasing that you have done to my statements and those of others are going to cause you a lot of problems and makes your arguments less credible. (imo)

[Kevin]

Originally posted by Phasad1913
No no no no no. Lifesaver said...and the law states, that these people (those who have to utilize public services) HAVE to be working in order to maintain their benefits. If they are not or if something happens, other arrangements can be made, but in the end, if they aren't working, they get kicked off the system.

I hope you learn to speak in more absolute terms if you plan to be an attorney. The generalization and inadequate paraphrasing that you have done to my statements and those of others are going to cause you a lot of problems and makes your arguments less credible. (imo)

It depends on what you think I'm arguing for. If you think I'm arguing that ALL people in public housing are abusers of the system and "welfare queens" and such, that's an incorrect assessment of what I'm saying. I'm not arguing that it's rampant, that it's prevelant, etc. I'm arguing that it DOES HAPPEN. Are you going to try and differ with me on that?

How many hours must they work? What happens if they are fired? I found what lifesaver said to be ambiguous on those points. And I can say, from what I have observed directly that there is abuse in the system.

[wrigley]

I thought this story in the Chicago Sun-Times could add perspective on how public housing is being handled here.


http://www.suntimes.com/output/lifes...insight17.html

[Rudey]

My issue with public housing is often that it's abused by relatives, friends, etc. who come in and take over and use it for cheap rent. In NYC there were problems with gang members and drug dealers coming in and using these types of places as their offices.

-Rudey

[PhiPsiRuss]

Originally posted by wrigley
I thought this story in the Chicago Sun-Times could add perspective on how public housing is being handled here.


http://www.suntimes.com/output/lifes...insight17.html

Interesting article. I remember seeing a Chicago housing project on that recent Skip Gates BBC/PBS documentary on Black America. Scary place, and the residents didn't seem too thrilled with it. It was slated for destruction. I wonder if its the same project mentioned in that article.