Palestine - Israel Discussion

[mrblonde]

Are you kidding? I wept openly for the tragic deaths of these poor, poor child murderers

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by Rudey
You didn't cry?

-Rudey

i did - it should have been 10x higher (maybe more)

[_Opi_]

I've never seen a discussion about the Isreal/Palestinian conflict that didnt get ugly .

**watches from the sidelines**

[Kevin]

bumping so that IowaStatePhiPsi can better understand the viewpoint of us Zionist sympathizers.

[Rudey]

DEAR WORLD

It appears that you are hard to please. I understand that you are upset over us here in Israel. Indeed, it appears that you are quite upset, even angry and outraged. Indeed, every few years you seem to become upset over us. Today, it is the brutal repression of the Palestinians; yesterday, it was Lebanon; before that it was the bombing of the nuclear reactor in Baghdad and the Yom Kippur War campaign. It appears that Jews who triumph, and who therefore, live, upset you most extraordinarily.

Of course, dear world, long before there was an Israel, we the Jewish people upset you. We upset a German people, who elected a Hitler and we upset an Austrian people, who cheered his entry into Vienna and we upset a whole slew of Slavic nations - Poles, Slovaks, Lithuanians, Ukrainians, Russians, Hungarians, Romanians.

And we go back a long, long way in history of world upset. We upset the Cossacks of Chmielnicki, who massacred tens of thousands of us in 1648-49; we upset the Crusaders, who on their way to liberate the Holy Land, were so upset at Jews that they slaughtered untold numbers of us. We upset, for centuries, a Roman Catholic Church that did its best to define our relationship through Inquisitions. And we upset the arch-enemy of the church, Martin Luther, who in his call to burn the synagogues and the Jews within them, showed an admirable Christian ecumenical spirit.

It is because we became so upset over upsetting you, dear world, that we decided to leave you - in a manner of speaking - and establish a Jewish State. The reasoning was that living in close contact with you, as resident-strangers in the various countries that comprise you, we upset you, irritate you, and disturb you. What better notion, then, than to leave you and thus love you - and have you love us? And so we decided to come home, to the same homeland from which we were driven out 1,900 years earlier by a Roman world that, apparently, we also upset.

Alas, dear world, it appears that you are hard to please. Having left you and your Pogroms and Inquisitions and Crusades and Holocausts, having taken our leave of the general world to live alone in our own little state, we continue to upset you.

You are upset that we repress the Palestinians. You are deeply angered over the fact that we do not give up the lands of 1967, which are clearly the obstacle to peace in the Middle East. Moscow is upset and Washington is upset. The Arabs are upset and the gentle Egyptian moderates are upset.

Well, dear world, consider the reaction of a normal Jew from Israel. In 1920, 1921 and 1929, there were no territories of 1967 to impede peace between Jews and Arabs. Indeed, there was no Jewish State to upset anybody. Nevertheless, the same oppressed and repressed Palestinians slaughtered hundreds of Jews in Jerusalem, Jaffa, Safed and Hebron. Indeed, 67 Jews were slaughtered one day in Hebron in 1929.

Dear world, why did the Arabs - the Palestinians - massacre 67 Jews in one day in 1929? Could it have been their anger over Israeli aggression in 1967? And why were 510 Jewish men, women and children slaughtered in Arab riots in 1936-39? Was it because of Arab upset over 1967? And when you, World, proposed a U.N. Partition Plan in 1947 that would have created a Palestinian State alongside a tiny Israel and the Arabs cried and went to war and killed 6,000 Jews - was that upset stomach caused by the aggression of 1967? And, by the way, dear world, why did we not hear your cry of upset then?

The Palestinians who today kill Jews with explosives and fire bombs and stones are part of the same people who - when they had all the territories they now demand be given them for their state - attempted to drive the Jewish State into the sea. The same twisted faces, the same hate, the same cry of "idbah-al-yahud" - "Slaughter the Jews!" that we hear and see today, were seen and heard then. The same people, the same dream - destroy Israel.

What they failed to do yesterday, they dream of today - but we should not "repress" them. Dear world, you stood by the Holocaust and you stood by in 1948 as seven states launched a war that the Arab League proudly compared to the Mongol massacres. You stood by in 1967 as Nasser, wildly cheered by wild mobs in every Arab capital in the world, vowed to drive the Jews into the sea. And you would stand by tomorrow if Israel were facing extinction.

And since we know that the Arabs-Palestinians daily dream of that extinction, we will do everything possible to remain alive in our own land. If that bothers you, dear world, well - think of how many times in the past you bothered us.

In any event, dear world, if you are bothered by us, here is one Jew in Israel who could not care less.

This was written in 1988.

-Rudey

[IowaStatePhiPsi]

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

[Rudey]

Originally posted by IowaStatePhiPsi
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

What the hell is that about? You can't respond to anything so instead you put links up? Yeah OK. Are you even Jewish? Why do you care if Jews are against Zionism??

Edited to add: I didn't comment on this before but the site you decided to post is a shame. It is a group of Ultra-religious Jews called the Satmars. The Satmars are known for essentially kidnapping Jews from other parts of the world - they bring them to America for example and promise them great things, they take away all their documents, force them to beg for money on street corners, erase their cultural identities (from middle eastern to European), take away their kids, and ruin them. They will attack you physically should you do something they don't agree with religiously - my friend, a male, was attacked for not having his shirt on. Among other strange things include taking cotton swabs sampling their wives' vaginas to an expert who will tell them their wives are clean and they can have sex with them. I have no remorse for any pain their neighborhoods suffer.

-Rudey

[Kevin]

Originally posted by IowaStatePhiPsi
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

Wow. That website just made me change my mind.












NOT.

(okay, that was lame)

But seriously, what does that prove? There are MANY MORE Jewish scholars that would say the exact opposite. There are people in the world that staunchly support every position imaginable. That doesn't mean that they are right.

[IowaStatePhiPsi]

it doesnt mean they are wrong either.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by IowaStatePhiPsi
it doesnt mean they are wrong either.

They are wrong. Post what they have to say. Are you that damn stupid that you not only can't think on your own but that you can't copy and paste? Again, are you Jewish? Why do you care if there are Jews against Zionism?

-Rudey

[PhiPsiRuss]

Originally posted by IowaStatePhiPsi
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

We just need a link to a site that claims that the Holocaust never happened, and this thread will be complete.

[Kevin]

Originally posted by PhiPsiRuss
We just need a link to a site that claims that the Holocaust never happened, and this thread will be complete.

Anti-Zionist Jew Denies Holocaust

Now this thread is complete.

[PhiPsiRuss]

Originally posted by ktsnake
Anti-Zionist Jew Denies Holocaust

Now this thread is complete.

WOO HOO!!!

Time for a parade!

[Kevin]

I noticed that we haven't heard any pro-Palestinian, anti-Zionist crap for awhile.

Maybe someone ran out of material to cut and paste off of the Hizobollah website?

[Rudey]

Paging RACooper, swissmiss, anyone? Come on. Someone? Anyone?

Here's a bit of trivia. Do we know what famous Muslim sat alongside Hitler and asked that the Jewish solution be brought to the middle east?

-Rudey