2 California teachers in trouble for showing classes Nick Berg beheading

[Rudey]

Originally posted by damasa
You are entitled to your opinion as well as I am to mine.

I do know for sure however that I did not have my parents sign any sort of permission slip for my health class.

Maybe it wasn't "education" for the most part but I still feel it could be acceptable to be shown in a classroom. Because the world is a sick place and some people just don't realize that.

Maybe it was a political agenda and maybe it wasn't. Considering the fact that I wasn't there, I don't know what happened. I'm not sure if the teachers said anything along the lines of "this is why war is bad, this is why we shouldn't have gone to Iraq in the first place or this is what we deserve." Then again, just about every class I've encountered in the last few years has had some sort of political agenda (minus torture videos).

Ah fack it, maybe the teachers should have had permission first, but they didn't. Those students viewed a horrific event that affects all of us (or should to some degree).

Showing this in an art class and saying "That's why we shouldn't be at war" makes it political to me. I'd like to hear your opinion on how it isn't.

-Rudey

[damasa]

Originally posted by Rudey
Showing this in an art class and saying "That's why we shouldn't be at war" makes it political to me. I'd like to hear your opinion on how it isn't.

-Rudey

I didn't say it wasn't, I said maybe it was and maybe it wasn't.

But to that end I had no idea it was shown in an art class.

If it happened in the above context then yes, it was political.

[honeychile]

We're not talking about a stabbing, or a rape, or even a drive-by shooting. We're not discussing a birth, or a sex ed class.

The only thing the video of Nick Berg is the least bit similiar to is a Holocaust film - which are usually (if not always) in black and white.

When I was in college, I saw a beheading and its aftermath (on video). I can only hope that I never see such a thing again. This is not the clean fall of a guillitine blade, this is a person - a fellow human - whose head is sawed off while he screams.

High school kids see this type of obscenity in video games, but unless they're watching some pervert's snuff films, they're not seeing this type of horror.

This is not the type of image that an immature mind needs to have. If my child was shown something of this sort without my knowledge, I would be at the next school board meeting with every other parent who had some common sense, demanding the resignation of that teacher who had such an obvious agenda!

[Rudey]

Originally posted by damasa
But to that end I had no idea it was shown in an art class.

If it happened in the above context then yes, it was political.

Read the article. It's not like I make this shiznit up.

-Rudey

[damasa]

Originally posted by Rudey
Read the article. It's not like I make this shiznit up.

-Rudey

I never said you did biznatch!

[AXJules]

I find it hard to believe that any of you will encounter beheadings or anything comparable during your stay here in the United States.

That being said, as long as the kids had the option to leave the room and were warned about what they were going to see, there was nothing wrong with showing it. Whoever brought up JFK is a good example- that video isn't nearly as graphic but it was something we HAD to watch to pass US History my junior year.I had no idea I was going to see a man's head explode- but that reel has been shown so many times throughout our history that I think my teacher forgot exactly what he was showing us.

However, showing it in an art class? Inappropriate. I don't want some dude who's schooled in DaVinci teaching my kid about current events. I think that's the issue here- he took it upon himself to abuse his position and teach kids a subject he was never ok'd to teach.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by AXJules
I find it hard to believe that any of you will encounter beheadings or anything comparable during your stay here in the United States.

That being said, as long as the kids had the option to leave the room and were warned about what they were going to see, there was nothing wrong with showing it. Whoever brought up JFK is a good example- that video isn't nearly as graphic but it was something we HAD to watch to pass US History my junior year.I had no idea I was going to see a man's head explode- but that reel has been shown so many times throughout our history that I think my teacher forgot exactly what he was showing us.

However, showing it in an art class? Inappropriate. I don't want some dude who's schooled in DaVinci teaching my kid about current events. I think that's the issue here- he took it upon himself to abuse his position and teach kids a subject he was never ok'd to teach.

It wasn't just about the teacher not knowing the subject, it was also about spreading a political agenda of being against war.

-Rudey

[Lady Pi Phi]

Originally posted by Rudey
It wasn't just about the teacher not knowing the subject, it was also about spreading a political agenda of being against war.

-Rudey

Someone somewhere is spreading the political agenda for war.

Everyone has an agenda of some sort. It's hard to get away from.

I spent hours upon hours listening to my teachers spread political agendas. Mostly about education and how wonderful the NDP are.

Unless these kids are mindless robots. it shouldn't matter. They can think for themselves. Well I would hope at the highschool level they would be able to.

Like others have said before. It should have been an option for these kids. If the class really didn't want to see it. Then they would have walked out. But if they were forced, then that disgusting and the teacher should be punished.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by Lady Pi Phi
Someone somewhere is spreading the political agenda for war.

Everyone has an agenda of some sort. It's hard to get away from.

I spent hours upon hours listening to my teachers spread political agendas. Mostly about education and how wonderful the NDP are.

Unless these kids are mindless robots. it shouldn't matter. They can think for themselves. Well I would hope at the highschool level they would be able to.

Like others have said before. It should have been an option for these kids. If the class really didn't want to see it. Then they would have walked out. But if they were forced, then that disgusting and the teacher should be punished.

A) I really couldn't care about the Canadian public school system, nor do I know anything about it. If you had any complaints at the time, you should have spoken up either to your parents, teachers, or administrators.

B) Kids are kids at the end of the day and if they are going to school to learn history, math, science, art I expect them to learn just that. They can have interactions on their own time. They can play sports. The can do debate. They can join Communist clubs. The can discuss this with their friends. Pushing a political agenda is not OK on the part of administrators and teachers however, just like it isn't with religion.

C) And at the end of the day, these teachers no longer are there and parents and others have made their voices heard. Too bad you couldn't accept that - probably since it brings back ill memories of your high school experience where supposedly they pushed a political agenda on you and you did nothing.

-Rudey

[Lady Pi Phi]

Originally posted by Rudey
A) I really couldn't care about the Canadian public school system, nor do I know anything about it. If you had any complaints at the time, you should have spoken up either to your parents, teachers, or administrators.

I did. And nothing was done. I walked out several classes because I was there to learn not listening to NDP propaganda.

But I could think for myself. I didn't need my parents to tell me that I didn't have to vote NDP or take this crap. I thought for myself.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by Lady Pi Phi
I did. And nothing was done. I walked out several classes because I was there to learn not listening to NDP propaganda.

But I could think for myself. I didn't need my parents to tell me that I didn't have to vote NDP or take this crap. I thought for myself.

You did what? And by the way this isn't free therapy for you so I don't really care too much to discuss your personal experience.

-Rudey

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by DZHBrown
So if you've never seen someone get stabbed in the streets, you're "way too sheltered"? That's absurd. I'll be sure to raise my kids in an unsafe environment so they're not too sheltered.

If you grow up in a major metro area, you're bound to see it. You see news footage of it on TV. You do have TVs where you're from, right?

Ad hominem attacks are fun!

[AGDee]

After 39 years of living and working in the Detroit area (the murder capital of the US for many of those years), I have to say, I've never seen someone stabbed, raped, or murdered, either in person or on the news. The worst thing I ever saw was when they showed pictures of people jumping from the WTC on 9/11. After I saw a couple those pics on TV, I made a point to avoid all 9/11 coverage because I couldn't handle that. I never had the TV on during that period while my children were home because I didn't want them seeing it. We discussed the atrocities of the situation and a little girl on my daughter's soccer team lost her Uncle on Flight 93 so there was some direct connection, but I didn't think it wise that they see this on TV.

To witness a beheading in video form is just too much for some kids and a parent should be able to determine what is or is not appropriate for their kids to see.

We had to have permission slips for sex ed classes the whole time I was growing up.

The pictures of the Holocaust we were shown in grade school were still, black and white pictures of the emaciated people who were rescued. A bit different than a live video with sound and color of someone being brutally murdered. I think you can convey the horrific nature of these acts without actually showing them.

Dee

[Lady Pi Phi]

Originally posted by Rudey
You did what? And by the way this isn't free therapy for you so I don't really care too much to discuss your personal experience.

-Rudey

I don't therapy from you. If you were a therapist you'd lose a lot of patients.

I'm just saying that everyone has an agenda of some kind, even you. So don't tell people to stop because they won't.

Even people on this board have a political agenda.

Vot Bush, Vote Kerry. You'll see it in people signatures. But since we're all supposed to be capable of making our own decisions, then it shouldn't really matter. Or are you one of those mindless robots I was speaking about?

[DZHBrown]

Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
If you grow up in a major metro area, you're bound to see it. You see news footage of it on TV. You do have TVs where you're from, right?

Ad hominem attacks are fun!

Considering I have lived in Atlanta, Memphis, Houston, and now Nashville, I do believe I've lived around metropolitan areas. No, it's not New York City or Detroit, but it's not some small country town either. Sure, there are stabbings in the ghetto areas, but you're not going to walk downa major street of these cities and see stabbings and you're sure as hell not going to see an actual stabbing on the news. You'll hear about it all day long, but they are not going to tape a stabbing a show it.
Maybe I should go stand around and wait for a stabbing or rape to occur on a streetcorner so I won't be so sheltered.