unaccredited schools

[aopinthesky]

Originally posted by Erik P Conard
In my spam mail yesterday I got an offer to get any degree, with
transcripts, references, whatever, no class attendance necessary
This might be a good place to have the 'feel-goods' grant a
charter...gosh...here I go again. Thanks again, DZ....EPC

Again, I want to ask the question that has been asked but not answered. WHERE have you seen this happen that an NPC, NIC, NPHC, MCGLO, etc. did this? I think some of us do not understand your rant because we are not aware that this has ever happened.

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by Erik P Conard
first, I want to thank the nice DZ...who reads better than I write.
I did include commuter in my reference, once, assailing the mail
order outfits and their ilk. I was wrong. Commuter schools, aka
street car colleges have long been sites of NIC chapters, most of
them not highly successful, i.e., not money-makers (crass!)
And the Ringling schools...I cited the school, not knowing my source had it confused, too. Sorry, Phis, and sorry to see the Phi
Delts leave the NIC but I salute them for the GUTS to do so....It is yet (the NIC) an old fuddy-duddy outfit replete with freeloaders.
In my spam mail yesterday I got an offer to get any degree, with
transcripts, references, whatever, no class attendance necessary
This might be a good place to have the 'feel-goods' grant a
charter...gosh...here I go again. Thanks again, DZ....EPC

Why doesn't TKE charter there? You guys are pretty good at chartering at sub-par schools and then losing the charter - or even better, just letting the guys haze and get drunk and burn their houses down!

YEAH GO TEKE!

And where did you go to school so we can evaluate how good it was? And when did you go there? And what is your career?

I don't care if you're old, that doesn't mean you deserve anything. Give us some evidence that your opiNIons have merit.

[madmax]

Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
Why doesn't TKE charter there? You guys are pretty good at chartering at sub-par schools and then losing the charter....

Originally posted by Erik P Conard
these days the accreditation agencies have caved in and given the nod to "schools" located in shopping centers, "Universities"
without walls (computer based), and all sorts of means to obtain
a diploma (or what some call erroneously a degree)
In 1947, thru an absorption of Alpha Lambda Tau, a southern fraternity, by TKE, a chapter at Tri-State College, an engineering-
oriented school in Angola, IN, was chartered as Beta Epsilon of TKE. But the NIC, noting that Tri-State was not accredited by a regional agency, demanded that TKE revoke the charter if they wanted to remain in the National Interfraternity Conference.
The subsequent conclave of the fraternity was very emotional and
the Beta Epsilon chapter charter was withdrawn. A poignant occasion. Well, about twenty years later the college gained full accreditation...and the locals all went "national." It is interesting
to note that the old TKE went Kappa Sig. TKE did return the charter to Tri State, but to a different group...
Several non-NIC groups, national in scope, had chapters at non-accredited schools...Kappa Sigma Kappa, Delta Kappa, Alpha Gamma Upsilon...to name some...are all gone now. Some of their
chapters disaffiliated with the "national" and some joined NIC ones (see a Baird's Manual for details). I do not know if any of these exist today...perhaps someone here does...another chapter
of the greek history...today, well, it is a whole new ball game.

They did expand to some schools that were not accredited.

[Glitter650]

just checked my reflections manual chapter roll (since mine is the only org I can really speak for) and ever since 1913 there have been NO Phi Sig chapters at a vocational or unaccredited universities. there may be some chapters at more commuter schools ( or as you so umm...eloquently and un offensively put it "street car" colleges)

QUOTE]Originally posted by GeekyPenguin

I don't care if you're old, that doesn't mean you deserve anything. Give us some evidence that your opiNIons have merit. [/QUOTE]

I too haven't seen anyone provide this evidence... I mean so far all I've gotten is that Phi Delt (which is no longer in NIC) has ONE chapter at a private two year university... which to me if that's the only thing that you can point out... I don't see why we have this thread. I mean I'm not a proponent of NPC/NIC orgs. colonizing at U of Phoenix really... but I say if they want to do it at a smaller, or more commuter oriented state college GO FOR IT sororites were mainly founded to support women getting an education. Our orgs would never get anywhere if we stuck our noses up in the air at campuses that didn't have enough dorms to house all the students. There's only so many schools in the ivy league.

[Erik P Conard]

Glitter, baby, your ignorance of the greek system, its workings,
the beginnings...do not even warrant a response.
You are not my peer...I would put my transcript beside yours,
and unless you have a 4.0...you lose...again.

[Glitter650]

I didn't proclaim to be all knowing about the greek system... that is why I come to greek chat, and that is why I, along with about three other people, asked for you to please enlighten us oh great smart EriK P Conrad and BTW did I ask to be your peer... becuase I don't really think I care to be.

[MysticCat]

Originally posted by kddani
I think not understanding you is part of the problem. Like Tom Earp, you have a very different way of "speaking" on here that is very hard to read and comprehend.

Your blatant insults to people and harsh way of speaking aren't going to win you any brownie points around here. It's one thing to have an opinion, but you don't have to express it in an insulting way.

Co-sign!

We're all going to make typos from time to time, but complete sentences really are wonderful things.

[MysticCat]

Originally posted by Erik P Conard
Glitter, baby, your ignorance of the greek system, its workings,
the beginnings...do not even warrant a response.
You are not my peer...I would put my transcript beside yours,
and unless you have a 4.0...you lose...again.

With all due respect, Erik, this kind of post just leads me to conclude that your posts do not warrant reading.

[greeklawgirl]

Originally posted by Erik P Conard
Glitter, baby, your ignorance of the greek system, its workings,
the beginnings...do not even warrant a response.
You are not my peer...I would put my transcript beside yours,
and unless you have a 4.0...you lose...again.

Mr. Conard, anything of substance that you have to say is going to be automatically discounted when you insult people. That comment was unnecessary, rude, and condescending.

As someone who is older and presumably wiser, I expected better of you.

[Erik P Conard]

Well, then, Mystic, do not read 'em.
I have not asked any of you for your credentials, nor g.p.a.
TKE has never, 'cept at Tri State, chartered at an unaccredited
school. Tri-State got North Central Accreditation and TKE returned, joined by several others.
Gosh, I did not hear about TKE burning down the house...could be. Where...is it in CA...did TKE put chapters at sub-par schools?
Which ones were these? l'd imagine you will piss backwards on that one, putting it in crawdad gear, as there's likely someone
here who has fond memories of Nortwest South Dakota City Colege...And those of you who are so ape shit about expanding,
why don't you? CA has a lot of schools. You oughta get into one
somewhere...
We have come a long ways from the Union Triad and the many southern groups who disbanded to fight for the confederacy. We
have spread fraternity to almost all. Let's hear some opinions from the Zetes, Dekes, St. A's, St. Elmo's, Alpha Delts, Psi U's, the
KA Society ones...how 'bout their thoughts? And the girls societies, founded at finishing schools, hardly a bastion for rights.
You know, most of you went to school with your folks footing the
bill, many have not had the work experience nor the joy of working with the less-gifted. Some of you will find that even your
bosses are not as smart as you. And, some will find nothing.
Gosh, with such vituperative responses...we can all feel good.

[33girl]

Originally posted by Erik P Conard
many have not had the work experience nor the joy of working with the less-gifted.

So you're giving us the chance to experience that joy now, right?


That was too easy.

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by Erik P Conard
Well, then, Mystic, do not read 'em.
I have not asked any of you for your credentials, nor g.p.a.
TKE has never, 'cept at Tri State, chartered at an unaccredited
school. Tri-State got North Central Accreditation and TKE returned, joined by several others.
Gosh, I did not hear about TKE burning down the house...could be. Where...is it in CA...did TKE put chapters at sub-par schools?
Which ones were these? l'd imagine you will piss backwards on that one, putting it in crawdad gear, as there's likely someone
here who has fond memories of Nortwest South Dakota City Colege...And those of you who are so ape shit about expanding,
why don't you? CA has a lot of schools. You oughta get into one
somewhere...
We have come a long ways from the Union Triad and the many southern groups who disbanded to fight for the confederacy. We
have spread fraternity to almost all. Let's hear some opinions from the Zetes, Dekes, St. A's, St. Elmo's, Alpha Delts, Psi U's, the
KA Society ones...how 'bout their thoughts? And the girls societies, founded at finishing schools, hardly a bastion for rights.
You know, most of you went to school with your folks footing the
bill, many have not had the work experience nor the joy of working with the less-gifted. Some of you will find that even your
bosses are not as smart as you. And, some will find nothing.
Gosh, with such vituperative responses...we can all feel good.

The TKE house at their "Scorpion" chapter at Wisconsin-Whitewater burned down under very shady circumstances, as told to me by a TKE from Mu-Nu. As for the subpar schools, I won't call them out on here, but look at your school rosters a little bit harder.

As for being gung-ho about expansion, my sorority is expanding, and we're AT something like 13 schools in California already (including Cal, USC, UCLA, Pepperdine) and have been for some time.

Also, I would hardly call Syracuse University a finishing school for women. Would you?

And actually, some snooty old man is footing the bill for my schooling, and I foot the rest. It's great to make ASSumptions though.

(It's like arguing with my 80 y/o grandfather...only he went to a good school and isn't stupid.)

Heh - which time? There have been a few.

Yikes!

I could tell you some stories about that house Kath... but I don't think this is the place for it!

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by Ginger
Heh - which time? There have been a few.

Yikes!

I could tell you some stories about that house Kath... but I don't think this is the place for it!

LOOK guys, it's corraboration for what I'm saying! I know we don't see that often in this thread, so some of you are all , but it's true.

Now I have to give a charter to the manicure school on 22nd and Wisconsin. It's next to a diner that has pretty good waffles, so we might have their installation banquet there.

[breathesgelatin]

Not to beat a dead horse to death, but:

Erik, which NIC/NPC/NPHC/MCGLO groups do you know of that have chartered at "shopping mall" and/or internet vocational training schools? Which national NIC/NPC/NPHC/MCGLO groups do you know of that maintain chapters at unaccredited or two-year institutions?

Thanks for you prompt answer.

All I've gotten out of this so far is that Sigma Pi maintains one chapter (their founding chapter, at that) at a private two-year institution.