Confused Republicans - Page 3

Rudey · #31 03-10-2004, 12:51 PM

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Originally posted by ktsnake
At least he's consistant and predictable. Always goes the way that Jesus tells him to

I don't find it nearly so bad if someone's motivated by religious convictions (which he has to know has cost him support in many areas) as one who is seemingly says anything in order to gain power.

The temporary tax cuts were supposed to be a stimulus for the economy. It's debatable that they were one of the contributing factors to the recovery, but here we are in a recovering economy.

You can talk yourself blue in the face about 'no vote is wasted'. It's not going to change the fact that voting for an extreme right or left 3rd party candidate will only be contributing to the center-opposite candidate's campaign by removing a potential vote from whoever your 2nd choice would have probably been.

The only real place we can make a difference is in the primary election. Unfortunately, American voters are too quick to jump on the bandwagon of the annointed one.

Right so why do people like Nader and Sharpton run? Why is it that people who don't have a shot and know they don't have a shot run? Nader might not get elected, but when those issues are out there and the 2 large parties want to win those votes, they will adopt those issues.

-Rudey

preciousjeni · #32 03-10-2004, 01:50 PM

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Originally posted by ktsnake
1) How is he "against" tax initiatives when he's stated he wants to raise taxes (removing the Bush administration sponsored tax cuts)? Your statement is contrary to one of his strongest positions. This is my problem with Kerry. He's two-faced. He'll say whatever the polls tell him to and then turn around and do something different.

2) No vote is wasted? Tell that to Nader's supporters in Florida during the last election cycle. Or the conservatives that voted for Perot in '92.

By tax initiatives, I'm referring to tax cuts and other code changes to stimulate growth. I KNOW he wants to raise taxes! He's raising taxes to increase revenue so he can fund spending programs. Thus spending programs over tax initiatives.

Anyway, regarding confused Republicans, Bush has adopted certain Democratic issues to make himself more attractive to Democratic voters. It looks fair to me in the world of politics!

justamom · #33 03-10-2004, 07:12 PM

I might have been a confused Republican PRIOR to the Kerry "nomination". No longer. Kerry is more liberal than Ted Kennedy. After the cold war, the defense budget was cut 1 Billion.
HE wanted to cut 1 Billion more for the next 5 years. Even Ted voted against that. In the congressional records, Hannity was ready quotes from within his own party that stated it was too dangerous. He is STILL of that mindset-well today anyway.
So though I did have concerns over many issues, considering the alternative, there is no choice for me.

As far as Bush swinging farther and farther right-
I think many are underestimating the pulse of the nation. There is a "lost" feeling this year. Many conservatives are struggling with issues as are the Dems. Just reading the paper and listening to ANY news will tell you very few in mainstream America are happy
with either of these two men.

ISUKappa · #34 03-10-2004, 07:30 PM

I think JAM should run for Pres. Or at least be given the title of Mom of America.

AXO_MOM_3 · #35 03-11-2004, 11:57 PM

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Originally posted by ISUKappa
I think JAM should run for Pres. Or at least be given the title of Mom of America.

You've got my vote JAM!

DeltAlum · #36 03-12-2004, 11:47 AM

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Originally posted by AXO_MOM_3
You've got my vote JAM!

I'm in. Bound to be better than our other choices.

33girl · #37 03-12-2004, 12:39 PM

Semi related to what we're discussing:

http://www.pghcitypaper.com/

Pennsylvania Senatorial primary coming up - Specter vs. Toomey. Specter's on the left, Toomey's on the right.

AlethiaSi · #38 03-12-2004, 12:40 PM

since when is kerry liberal? at the least he is a very conservative domocrat- essentially we have two republicans running for office- talk about lack of choice... its bs to me... however. when it comes down to it- i'd rather vote democrat (even if its conservative

) then republican any day- especially since its bush.... i think his obnoxious defense spending has put is into some terrible economic times... (look at the unemployment rate its 9.7% the rate was lowest in february which of course has been taken as THE rate- when it is not- this gives off the facade that he is creating jobs and helping the economy.. when in fact he is not... )

not to mention the fact that he is proposing a completely rediculous AMENDMENT to outlaw gay marraige.... is he really serious? when homosexuals are becoming more and more integrated into our society (thank god) i dont think i could vote for someone that is going to take someones right to love who ever they want away from them... i think its downright mean and a complete infringement on the constitution....

and then there is the war... i can understand that he is trying to keep things under control before they come onto our shores... but the defense spending is out of control and honestly...one of my best friends is in iraq right now- he was only supposed to be in afghanistan... but his stay was extended to go to iraq- he's been shot twice and has two purple hearts... they are sending him on another mission before he can come home and i'm afraid he'll never make it home... it makes me sick...

i think that he had a plan to go to iraq way before he was even elected.. i dont think its a coincidence the connections with haliburton and the other oil countries.. despite the fact that on september 11 he had the entire bin laden family flown to america to keep them safe- because the bush's have been partners with them for years... the fact that he completely stole the elections.. wake up people....not to mention the fact htat we look like complete idiots in the rest of the world.. read micheal moore's "dude wheres my country" and "stupid white men" and then talk to me.... as much as we'd like to pretend like we are the only ones that exist... we need to concentrate on our own problems before meddling in the problems of others...

justamom · #39 03-13-2004, 08:43 AM

" If nominated I will not accept.If elected I will not serve"

Not liberal? Compared to what, socialism, utopia, John Lennon?
Priceless article-
http://www.insightmag.com/news/2003/...2-455080.shtml
"...Columnist Jeff Jacoby of the Boston Globe also wonders whether Kerry tries to be all things to all people. Jacoby reports that, when in the early 1990s a constituent wrote Kerry expressing support for an invasion of Iraq, Kerry's office responded by sending two letters - one saying he opposed the war and another supporting President George H.W. Bush's response. Kerry blamed it on computer problems and the failure to dispatch a third letter - one opposing the war but supporting the troops."

http://205.180.85.40/w/pc.cgi?mid=31930&sid=5068

Editorial excerpt "Kerry also famously voted to send U.S. troops to Iraq, then reversed course and opposed $87 billion in funding to equip American GIs and advance Iraqi stability.

John Kerry, the Democrats' presumptive presidential nominee is a 194-proof liberal dream come true. His election next November would commence a long, national nightmare. "

http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache...hl=en&ie=UTF-8

"NUMBER ONE: KERRY RANKED 'MOST LIBERAL' IN SENATE ROLL CALL VOTES, TOPS KENNEDY, CLINTON

NATIONAL JOURNAL on Friday claimed Democrat frontrunner John Kerry has the "most liberal" voting record in the Senate..."

Kevin · #40 03-13-2004, 11:03 AM

Whoa.. he "stole" the elections?

Which recount was it that determined that?

Let me think... that would be NONE of them.

He was elected fairly according to our constitution. Because a few Democrat voters are too retarded to read the voting card before they stamp it does not somehow make Bush culpable for stealing an election.

DeltAlum · #41 03-13-2004, 01:59 PM

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Originally posted by ktsnake
Whoa.. he "stole" the elections?

Which recount was it that determined that?

Let me think... that would be NONE of them.

He was elected fairly according to our constitution. Because a few Democrat voters are too retarded to read the voting card before they stamp it does not somehow make Bush culpable for stealing an election.

I think it would be more truthful to say he was elected fairly according to the Florida Constitution.

In fairness, I would say that it was a questionable recount that was certified by a Secretary of State who was the state chairman of his election campaign. The fact that the Governor of Florida is the brother of the President further muddies the picture.

Whether the recount itself was accurate or not (and I don't know that it was or wasn't), it would have been a whole lot more comfortable if she had recused herself and an outside party or group with no bias had been able to certify the recount.