Is having children a right?

[bethany1982]

Originally posted by Dionysus
Yeah, those are way more realistic.

I like your little signature saying...

You actually want government to have the authority to sterilize someone. That is scary. I agree with the idea of taking kids away from certain parents and improving the foster care/adoption options, but letting government force a surgical procedure on an individual is giving government way too much control.

[Peaches-n-Cream]

Sean Talty is an irresponsible deadbeat dad to three of his seven children. He recently married the woman who is the mother of two children. I really don't understand this mentality: create children only to abandon them financially. It is disgraceful. He should focus on working hard in order to pay for the upkeep of these children instead of having more children in the future.

I think that the court overstepped their role, and the ruling will be thrown out. I just wish that Talty were responsible enough to limit his breeding on his own. His new wife and mother of two of his seven children is unhappy that the courts ruling "took away her option of having more children." To her I say, you are a dumbass to marry a man with seven children, three of whom he doesn't support. It reminds me of the lyrics to Flagpole Sitter, "only stupid people are breeding."

I am just sick of deadbeat parents who don't support their children. Personal responsibility: try it!

[The1calledTKE]

Originally posted by bethany1982
Perfect liberal comeback.

Actually I am pretty sure SmartBlondeGPhB is conservative and a republican. Maybe I am wrong, she can clarify this.

[bethany1982]

Originally posted by The1calledTKE
Actually I am pretty sure SmartBlondeGPhB is conservative and a republican. Maybe I am wrong, she can clarify this.

My remark may have been misplaced. However, it is the perfect liberal come back... attack the messenger. Like it really matters. In reality, I'm not really up to fighting this afternoon. I find GC to be an extremely liberal community overall, so the revelation that so many would approve of the government regulating conception and birth does not surprise me.

[sugar and spice]

Originally posted by bethany1982
I like your little signature saying...

You actually want government to have the authority to sterilize someone. That is scary. I agree with the idea of taking kids away from certain parents and improving the foster care/adoption options, but letting government force a surgical procedure on an individual is giving government way too much control.

I agree with this and I'm not conservative.

The government has tried forced sterilization in the past for the reasons mentioned above and it was misused, badly. Giving the government the power to sterilize people is basically only a few steps away from giving them the power to wipe out every ghetto in the country. To me that's frightening, and it's not worth whatever the payoffs would be.


Although I think the idea that GC is "liberal" is laughable.

[The1calledTKE]

Originally posted by bethany1982
You actually want government to have the authority to sterilize someone. That is scary. I agree with the idea of taking kids away from certain parents and improving the foster care/adoption options, but letting government force a surgical procedure on an individual is giving government way too much control.

I agree with this to. I was just saying before if the people that did want men to be sterilized that were dead beats, I was just saying they should include the deadbeat moms too. I don't think people should be forced not to have kids, it tramples on the consitituion and Bill of rights. Yes the gov't has to help out the familys with dead beats and in foster care but its a necassary evil I think.

[bethany1982]

Originally posted by sugar and spice
Although I think the idea that GC is "liberal" is laughable.

Well, it certainly is not conservative... oh well. If I were looking for a political place to post, I'd go somewhere else.

[Peaches-n-Cream]

Originally posted by bethany1982
Well, it certainly is not conservative... oh well. If I were looking for a political place to post, I'd go somewhere else.

I think that there are some very outspoken liberals and conservatives on GC. If you are conservative, you probably notice the liberals and vice versa. GC is a reflection of the political spectrum of the United States. I actually find it interesting to read different perspectives.

[James]

Permit!!!

I think that no parents with less than 115 IQ should have kids. there is evidence that Intellegence is genetic so we can raise the IQ of the human race ina few generations. 115 isn't even high . . just higher than average.

I also think to qualify to have a parental permit you need to demonstrate an income that would be considered upper middle class so that you can easily supply the material needs of the kids. This includes a demonstrated committment to cover their college and post-grad education . . .

I'll add other stuff to the permit idea as I think of it.

Originally posted by Ginger
I am ALL FOR this.

You know that radical and controversial thread? Well here's my radical and controversial idea.... I think people should be required to get a permit/liscense to have children. If it's an unplanned pregnancy, you still have to apply, and if you don't pass, your child goes up for adoption.

There are too many shithead parents in the world, and too many loving couples in who can't have children and can't afford the adoption process.

As someone who's ability to have children is in question, this makes me VERY ANGRY.

[Munchkin03]

Originally posted by bethany1982
You actually want government to have the authority to sterilize someone. That is scary. I agree with the idea of taking kids away from certain parents and improving the foster care/adoption options, but letting government force a surgical procedure on an individual is giving government way too much control.

Anyone--regardless of political views--with a rudimentary knowledge of American history should shudder at the idea of government-forced sterilization. In 1973, two sisters--12 and 14--were sterilized without their or their mother's consent, as the surgeries were ordered by the US Government.* This was a long line in a sordid history of forced sterilizations, which were disproprortionately given to women of color and poor TEENAGERS, none of whom have given birth or had been pregnant. As a progressive, I would hate to think that people are assuming (ahem) that "liberals" (whatever that means) are for government-enforced sterilization.



*If interested in the exact details of the case, do a simple websearch of the Relf sisters in Birmingham Alabama.

[aggieAXO]

Originally posted by Ginger
I am ALL FOR this.

You know that radical and controversial thread? Well here's my radical and controversial idea.... I think people should be required to get a permit/liscense to have children. If it's an unplanned pregnancy, you still have to apply, and if you don't pass, your child goes up for adoption.

There are too many shithead parents in the world, and too many loving couples in who can't have children and can't afford the adoption process.

As someone who's ability to have children is in question, this makes me VERY ANGRY.

Ditto, Ditto, Ditto

everything procreates but I still recommend spaying and neutering your animal-why? b/c there are too many strays/starving animals. So some people say "well humans aren't animals, you can't compare us to dogs/cats"-I say yes we are animals and there are some people out there that breed like rabbits and don't take care of their business. I have to deal with people everyday that don't have a dime to their name, are completely ignorant and are raising the same type of children (and also have animals they should not have)-it is disgusting and if people haven't noticed it is getting out of hand. I think people should be limited to two children-that is it. If you get re-married then you can apply to have more and that can be reviewed. I am sick of these people going around spreading their "seed" and basically expecting kids to raise themselves, yes there are shitty moms out there but fact is men make up the majority of these a$$holes. I say down with both the men and the women.

off soapbox.

BTW I am waiting for 2 people to come in that have dogs that got into "poison" and have no money-IF YOU DON'T HAVE MONEY THEN DON'T HAVE A PET OR A CHILD!!!!!!

[aggieAXO]

Originally posted by bethany1982
I can see it now. The Office of Reproductive Qualification and Behavior. The Democrats dream. Another way of forcing themselves into the lives of everyday Americans. Perhaps they could issue licenses to F’ somebody, before the act actually takes place. That way, they could tax sex. Damn!

I’m sorry sir, but your license to F’ has expired, besides that you were doing someone outside the age range of your license. Miss, may I see you license?

uh, excuse me but the republicans are the ones that are always trying to get into people's business-you can't get married if you are gay, you can't have a peaceful death by euthanasia if you are terminally ill and you can't have an abortion is you don't want the child you are carrying. I am so sick of people saying that democrats are sticking their noses into people's business when the republican's are the one's telling us what we can and cannot do with our bodies.

And yes people should have a f'license.

[aggieAXO]

Originally posted by The1calledTKE
Plus if a man that can't afford kids should be fixed so should a woman that can't afford kids only fair.

I agree.

[aggieAXO]

Originally posted by bethany1982
The government should not have the power to make that decision, no matter what. Male or Female. NEVER! EVER! NEVER, NEVER, NEVER!

why not they make alot of other rules about what we can and cannot do.

[aggieAXO]

Originally posted by Tom Earp
Well, I hope the Friggen ACLU doesnt get on this theard the Commies!


Either Have Kids or dont! Who is to decide? Oh Bad Dad did not pay support, lets put him in jail! How in the hell does He if He gets a contcenious to decicde to give money for his Child! What is The womens Responsability!? Just to have a Child and say, Oh Assqwhole You owe me money for screwing me and making me pregnant?



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ok Tom aren't you against abortion? So what if the woman did not want the child but abortion was illegal-what is she goin to do now-give it up for adoption? That is a choice but again there are so many children that need adoption-where does it all end?