What would you do if your friend.....

[Miss. Mocha]

Ofcourse, I have spiritual issues with homosexuality, but I digress.

I would hope that I would continue to judge my bestfriend on the content of her character and not her sexual preference.

I would continue to be her bestfriend, and love her. I don't know if I could support her sexuality, but I would certainly support her as a person and a friend.

Miss. Mocha

[This message has been edited by Miss. Mocha (edited November 30, 2000).]

[Conskeeted19]

Wow, I see that I've really started something. I agree and disagree with several of your responses, but I won't get into any particulars.

When my friend told me that she was a lesbian, I could not believe it. At first I was angry because I thought that there was nothing that we could not share with each other. She asked me if I hated her. I held her and told her that I could never hate her. I told her that no matter what road she chooses to take I will always respect, honor and cherish our relationship. She did not ask at that time how I felt about it; therefore, I did not say. At a later date she asked for my opinion about the issue. I told her that I believe that it is wrong. Just like my relationship with XXXXXXX is wrong. No one sin is greater than the other in Gods eyesight. We give sin degrees-not God.

Doggystyle82 I must say that I agree with you as for as controlling my space. I did not want any kind of relationship with her friend and she respected that. Just like I will not let my cousin's drug dealing prostitute pimping boyfriend step one foot in my house. Just like I will not step in the mall or even the 7 eleven store with my theiven sista friend from school.

My friend is a wonderful friend and I love her dearly.

[Poplife]

Originally posted by Conskeeted19:
I did not want any kind of relationship with her friend and she respected that. Just like I will not let my cousin's drug dealing prostitute pimping boyfriend step one foot in my house. Just like I will not step in the mall or even the 7 eleven store with my theiven sista friend from school.

Ok, let me get this straight...

You are relating being around gays to being around, pimps, theives, drug dealers? Don't you think that's a bit harsh?

[exquizit]

Wow you guys, I've been missing for a few days and look at what I missed out on! I agree with many of the post as well as disagree with a few, but that's the beauty of this, we can all agree to disagree.

First of all my reaction would be just as AKA2d91's was....More power to ya...ect. If that's my girl, then that's my girl no matter what. We would have to talk about whay she felt she had to hide such a thing from me, but her choices her exactly that..HER CHOICES. Who am I to judge her when I know I'm not at all perfect. That's where my agreement comes in with a PORTION of Discogoddess' posts. We can't begin to judge people. Sin is sin.If everyone took a minute to look real close inside ourselves there would be too many skeleton bones in our closets to count.

As far as issues go, we all have them, just as we all get a little Holier-Than-Thou. I just take it as opinions. We have have our rights to them, but the only true opinion that counts is God's as far as how you choose to live your life.

There were so many posts as well as so many more things I want to address, but I'll chill for now I've typed too much all ready.

[Discogoddess]

Soror Sexy Mocha:

All I ask is that if you are going to quote me as part of your post, please quote my entire passage, just so people understand what I was saying, which was that judging one's friends and/or potential sorority members on the things we pick and choose from the Bible is self-serving (yes, I have flaws, I admit that, and the unwed mother thing is one of them-people can reread my earlier posts on that to get their panties/briefs in a bunch):

Hell, I have issues with unmarried mothers, especially those trying to pledge my sorority, but doesn't that sound super judgemental? And isn't sex outside of marriage a sin? Whose going to hell first? No wonder we Christians have the reputation of being judgemental, holier-than-thou types, cuz it's true!

[Conskeeted19]

Poplife,

You got it straight! No, I don't think that it is harsh.

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You are the master of your own destiny!

[Discogoddess]

Soror Conskeeted19:

So much for Christian love and understanding, which we all want applied to us, but no one else, huh?

Poplife,
You got it straight! No, I don't think that it is harsh.

WHEN DOES IT END?????????????


[This message has been edited by Discogoddess (edited December 01, 2000).]

[Poplife]

I'm not Christian, but I'm truly feeling you on that statement Discogoddess.

Sheez.

Originally posted by Discogoddess:
Soror Conskeeted19:

So much for Christian love and understanding, which we all want applied to us, but no one else, huh?

WHEN DOES IT END?????????????


[This message has been edited by Discogoddess (edited December 01, 2000).]

[Conskeeted19]

Soror Discogoddess,

It has nothing to do with love or hate. It's a matter of preference. I have friends who are dating men that I don't care to be around. I have family members whom I don't keep company with. Am I cordial? Yes. Do I hate them? Certainly not. I choose who I keep company with. As a matter of fact she did not want to be around the man that I was seeing at the time. That was her preference and I respected her feelings. Just because she is my friend does not mean I have to be apart of her choice. Don't get me wrong. I am not saying that I would be mean or anything like that. I just prefer not to be bossom buddies. "It's like that and that's the way it is."

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You are the master of your own destiny!

[Sexy Mocha]

Soror DiscoGoddess,
I'm trying to understand where you're coming from...but I'm having a hard time doing so. Nonetheless, I respect your opinion and viewpoints.
I think it's a sad point we've reached, when we're condemning single mothers, yet rallying to the support of homosexuals. The thing with me is I don't pick and choose. I either have to accept ALL people reagardless of their lifestyles or None. I choose not to down anyone because I'm no better than anyone.

[Sexy Mocha]

Originally posted by Epitome:
Discogoddess,

I totally agree with you on this. I think all too often, Christians come off as judgemental, when there is only one Judge.

Another point: I know there are people out there who are "confused" or who "experiment," but people who are absolutely, positively gay did not "choose" to be that way, no more than I "chose" to be black or a woman or heterosexual. Therefore, I don't see how being gay can be a sin. People choose to steal, lie, commit adultery, murder, etc., all of which are sins. They DON'T choose to be gay!

They don't choose to be gay? So promiscuous women don't choose to sleep with a lot of men....it's just the way they are right? The way they were born? Afterall, why would ANYONE choose such a lifestyle that comes with so much negativity?

[Conskeeted19]

Sexy Mocha,


Hmmmmmmmmm!

[Poplife]

Originally posted by Sexy Mocha:
They don't choose to be gay? So promiscuous women don't choose to sleep with a lot of men....it's just the way they are right? The way they were born? Afterall, why would ANYONE choose such a lifestyle that comes with so much negativity?

Are you saying that they do or do not choose to be gay? I'm confused.

[exquizit]

I'm feeling you 100% Poplife.

Sexy Mocha, as I've said before, I respect everyone's opinions but if you are in fact saying that all homosexuals CHOOSE to be gay then I have to disagree. I know that with this on going focus on homosexuality, threesomes,etc. Many have become curious and jump on the bi-sexual band wagon. But IN MY OPINION some are born that way.

How many of you have seen a young boy who had very feminine movements and habits (Naturally) and their parents were like "OH NO BOY!! YOU HAVE TO PLAY WITH TRUCKS!!"? This will continue to be an endless debate you guys, and we may never truly find an answer that will satisfy what we personally feel is right.:P

But please in the respect of the forum AGREE TO DISAGREE!!

[Discogoddess]

DISCLAIMER: LONG MESSAGE

Soror Sexy Mocha et al:

I will state this yet again. My original post, in which I cited the example of my issue with undergraduate, unwed mothers pledging a sorority, is not an ideal belief, but, because I am human and subject to sin, I hold this belief. While I would never be unkind to a young woman in this position, I doubt that I would have ever cast a positive vote for her when I was an undergraduate making membership decisions about candidates. I posted extensively about this subject a while ago when there was a thread about such.

My comparison was that my belief was not a good thing, and neither is this generally-held belief that somehow it's okay to condemn gay people with this condescending pseudo-Christian double-speak of "I love my friend but not their sexuality." As if you, or anyone else, has the right to decide who is worthy of full acceptance and who is not. And as if your friend can abitrarily decide to be gay or straight. Or that somehow, hetereosexuals are the only ones entitled to have sex (a la the "it's okay to be gay, but don't ever have sex or think about settling down with someone special" teachings of many Christian traditions). But somehow, despite your unloving attitudes toward your fellow human beings who are trying to find their way, just like you, you can easily point out that somehow my thinking must be faulty, because I don't think that women running around and getting proof of such (as in the baby) AND trying to pledge a sorority while in school is cool. I'm trying to understand what qualifies you or any of the other "holier-than-thou" Christians on this board to make that judgement. I guess maybe you all think church is the "museum for saints" and not the "hospital for sinners" as I do. That's fine.

I happen to believe that most gay people do not choose to be so. Why would they? I have a very hard time believing that God would create people that are attracted to and love the same sex, only to condemn them, like most of their fellow SINNING humans do. I leave the judging to Him in this and other matters I do not get clear understanding from the Bible, as it is at times a contradictory document.

To me, the Bible offers no clear counsel on this subject, other than condemnation of the act of homosexuality, which, if any of you ever studied Greco-Roman history, was not the construct it is now. Men who were temple prostitutes and allowed other men to enter them were considered woman-like. To many of the ancients, the act of being like women was the true sin, not necessarily the sex. It is well-documented that many cultures, including the Greek and Roman ones, practiced homosexual sex as rites of passage and conquering acts of war. In fact, many armies took more pride in raping the men of a vanquished village than the women and children. It showed domination of the highest order. I say all this to say that there was no concept of loving the same sex or many other things we understand about our world now, back then.

Your argument that somehow people born gay and women or men who choose to sleep around are similar, and Soror Conskeeted's argument that gay people should be on the same "must avoid" list as criminals, is abhorrent to me, to say the least. But of course, you both are entitled to your opinions, as I am mine.

As I have stated in each and every post about this subject, I understand that my views on unwed mothers in college is not a Christ-like one. But I will not back down in my belief that neither are many of the views expressed in this thread about our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters. I hope that I will continue to grow as a person and be more accepting of my fellow humans, as I cannot grant life, either in this life or the next.

I am done with this topic on this public forum. Soror Sexy Mocha, if you still do not understand where I am coming from, please email me.