Kobe

[CC1GC]

What does everyone expect?

He saw a better offer from a different team, suited up, then jammed to the hole. Professional athletes actually believe throwing a ball puts them in a higher strata than the rest of society. Kobe can get anything he wants w/o repercussion, and this is no different. In the end, he'll still have the ridiculous money, career stats, and none of us will remember this.

[Lady Pi Phi]

Originally posted by Sverige
I can't believe some of you cannot see right through this. Obviously the guy had sex with her. More than likely it was consensual.

Here's my take on it:

They met, they had sex, he kicked her out right afterwards, she realized Kobe didn't really like her and that she just got used, she went for his image. She's not asking for an out of court settlement because she knows that eventually Kobe will give her millions inorder to keep from going to jail. She will end up being expensive piece of ass.

I've seen this attitude from girls all too often. I got a couple of friends who kick girls out of their apartment right after they finish their buisness with them. One of my friends did something like that a little while back. He had sex with a girl and then snapped right afterwards. He started pouring beer on her head and told her to get the fuck out of there. A few years back another friend did the same thing, only this time they came out of his room and the living room was filled with all of us. My friend grabbed a bag of doritos potatoe chips and started pouring it out over the girl's head in front of all of us. While he was pouring the chips on her head he started going around her in circles, yelling, "Get the fuck out, Get the fuck out bitch, Get the fuck out!!!" It was the worst thing I've ever seen done to a girl inorder to make her leave.
One time it finally caught up with him. One girl told him straight up, " I'm going to fuck your career and life up completely." She told him he was never going to play that sport ever again. No more than two working week days later, rape allegations started poping up all over the place about him. Fortunately, no charges were ever filed against him by the state attoney's office. However, his career did suffer for it.

Honestly, I try to tell people who do that crap that it's not smart to kick a girl out of bed right after sex. And you sure as hell don't degrade her in any way shape or form. Most women are unstable and insecure in the head as it is, they have serious self esteem isuues. You don't how a girl's going to react, as most females have been put through a lot of shit from previous guys. It's not smart to take away the last bit of self worthfulness they have inside by grading her. Unless a girls a slut, girls usually feel bad a few days later after having random sex. Kobe's little slut is just doing what 90% of the other girls out there would do after being used for sex, she's getting him back.

Of course there is always the possiblitly he did rape her. However, he's Kobe Bryant, he can have at least 75% of the women in the world who he wants. He doesn't need to rape girl, think about it. He's married, 24 or 25 yrs old, an NBA superstar- possibly the next Michael Jordan and he has millions upon millions of dollars. It's totally not rape here. I can understand if he was unstable in the head and a freak like Mike Tyson. Kobe Bryant, most would agree, has his head on straight and doesn't fit the profile of a rapist.

Anyhow, thats my input.

I don't know where you come up with this stuff but rape isn't about sex, it's about power.

[moe.ron]

If the penis does not fit, you must acquit.

[Eirene_DGP]

Originally posted by Arya
If the penis does not fit, you must acquit.

LOL!!!! Arya, you provide my entertainment.....I couldn't help thinking...it could have been an issue of them having "freaky" sex since/if there is evidence of forced penetration.

[Sverige]

Originally posted by Lady Pi Phi
I don't know where you come up with this stuff but rape isn't about sex, it's about power.

My whole post was about how I think he didn't rape her. Plain and simple. I wasn't trying to define what rape is. I was explaining how I've seen this happen before and gave theories as to why she cried rape. Usually if someone intelligent rapes a person they either deny having sex with them, don't bust a nut in them or else they wear a condom so they can't be traced. Kobe is a smart man. If he was raping the girl and knew it was against her will, do you actually think he'd bust one up in her? C'mon. You gotta look at the picture from more than one aspect. The girl worked at the front desk of the place he was staying at. Kobe was away from his wife and had knee surgery, he couldn't go out and meet other women. This young girl meets Kobe and she ends up coming up to his room. What the hell do you think she was thinking by going up to his room? I for one don't believe that she thought he just wanted to spend some time with her and get to know her. He certainly didn't just slam her on the ground behind the front desk and stick her. I'm sure they were drinking or doing some pain pills he probably had from surgery. They got wasted and had sex. My previous post explains what more than likely happened after the sex.

[librasoul22]

Originally posted by valkyrie
I mean seriously, what NBA wife really thinks that her husband isn't going to cheat? I think that 90% of the time, that's just how it is and the women know it and make a conscious decision to look the other way because of the benefits they get. Who are we to judge any of them?

I think this is very sad. Does anyone else see something terribly wrong with forgoing a monogamus, stable relationship just for some money? I am not judging the women who marry atheletes for the money, I just think it is a terrible commentary on our society and our mentality. Like if you already know that the athelete will probably cheat that makes it okay? I don't know what to think about that. Maybe I am more traditional than I thought because that just seems really f'ed up to me.

As for Kobe, I have to agree with the people that are saying rape or not, his adultry is bad enough. I am inclined to believe that the sex was probably consensual, however that doesn't really excuse the fact that he broke a sacred vow of marraige. I am kinda blown away by people's willingness to forgive that just because his wife "should have known" that he would probably cheat. That is NOT okay.

On the other hand, reality is that atheletes probably WILL cheat, lol. Sad but true. They get the cooter thrown at them every single day from beautiful young women. At the same time, these guys need to WAKE up and realize these girls intentions. Hello? Since when do women ever give the cooter away, no strings attached (unless they have some sort of detachment disorder in which case they are psycho and thus problematic anyway)? Ain't gonna happen!

I can see both sides, and my take is that celebs and their groupies are just all f'ed up. If the career I want pans out, I am truly hoping I can avoid the culture that accompanies it.

[cuaphi]

I have to speak up here a little bit. Everyone seems to be assuming the the sex was consensual but from reading all the news reports to come out of this case, I'm not so sure about that.

* Hotel security became involved because several guests in adjoining rooms called to report a disturbance.

* Both he and the girl were taken to area hospitals for examinations shortly after the reported incident. There was no time lapse in which she maybe thought about it and decided to press charges... It all went down immediately.

* Several townspeople have been quoted as saying that they thought Kobe was innocent... until word spread about who the girl was. Then they all changed their minds.

I can't help but think that his having released statements immediately after the charges were announced regarding adultery was just part of his legal defense. Proving it wasn't consensual about the hardest thing a court of law can be asked to do. I really, really hope he didn't do it and I definitely think he'll be acquited. However I think a lot of people are assuming innocense based on pure reputation without really looking at what took place.

[moe.ron]

Report: Incident occurred months before alleged assault

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ESPN.com news services


The Colorado woman who has accused Kobe Bryant of sexual assault overdosed on pills and was rushed to a hospital two months before the alleged incident with Bryant, one of her close friends told the Orange County Register.

Based on the 19-year-old woman's accusation, Bryant was officially charged with a single count of felony sexual assault Friday. If convicted, he faces four years to life in prison or 20 years to life on probation, and a fine of up to $750,000. Bryant is scheduled to return to Eagle, Colo., for a preliminary hearing on Aug. 6.

Bryant, 24, said Friday that he was guilty only of committing adultery.

In cases of this nature, the credibility of the accuser -- whose identity is not being revealed -- often becomes an issue. The accuser's friends have been keeping her overdose a secret -- until now, the Register reported.

"I think it was just a cry for help," 18-year-old Lindsey McKinney told the newspaper. McKinney had been living at the accuser's house in May, when the woman allegedly took the pills.

When she learned from the woman's ex-boyfriend that the woman had "overdosed," McKinney rushed to her home and found the woman incoherent, lethargic and seemingly drunk, according to the Register.

"I was scared. She wasn't really talking at all," McKinney told the newspaper. "I was like, 'you need to open your eyes.' "

Some friends of the accuser said they believed the overdose was an accident. Not McKinney.

"I don't think it was accidental. I was there," she told the Register.

Tyson Ivie, a former classmate of the accuser's, told the newspaper that the overdose was "a big secret" that friends have been unwilling to talk about until now.

The police dispatch call from the night of the alleged assault is currently sealed from the public by investigators. The woman's father declined comment for the Register's story.

According to the newspaper's report, Bryant's accuser was going through an extremely difficult period in her life at the time of the overdose. She returned home from her freshman year of college to find out her ex-boyfriend had taken up with another woman. Also, around the time of the overdose, close friend Nicole Clements died in a road accident while returning from high school graduation ceremonies.

"It was kind of boom, boom, boom," McKinney told the Register. "I think the things that happened to her in the past had a lot to do with what [she said happened the night of the alleged assault]."

"I know she had been going through a lot, but I know that she wouldn't lie," 19-year-old Eagle resident Ashley Scriver told the newspaper. Scriver also knew about the the overdose.

The Register quoted legal experts as saying the news of the overdose will be a major advantage for Bryant's defense team.

"This is powerful evidence and the answer to the defense's prayers," Robert Pugsley, a criminal law professor at Southwestern University School of Law in Los Angeles, said. Pugsley added that this kind of evidence, if exploited by the defense, could be enough to shut down the case before it reaches trial.

"[Defense attorneys are] looking for a way to demonstrate that this woman is hysterical and over-reactive," Pugsley said. "This is literally dynamite evidence, a bonanza for the defense and a landmine for prosecution."

Bryant's attorneys could not be reached for comment Saturday by the Register.
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I also saw a pic that is allegedly her. Don't know if its true or not.

[valkyrie]

Not that this means anything at all with respect to the case, but on CNN they said that the accuser tried out for American Idol and was rejected.

[chitownxo]

Sverige: Most women are unstable and insecure in the head as it is, they have serious self esteem isuues.

Um, you do know that this is 2003, and not 1803, right? Just thought I'd check.

Getting back to the subject at hand, obviously, none of us know what went on in that hotel room. We weren't there. We can't even say that we "know" Kobe. Just because we see him on tv, buy his jerseys and cheer him on doesn't mean we have know what he's like in his personal life.

That said, he is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, not a court of public opinion. This case is already becoming a media circus. How is it possible that he can get a fair trial with all of the lurid details played out everyday on SportsCenter, CNN, and the rest of the media?

[juniorgrrl]

I don't know all the facts of the case. I saw three of the girls friends being interivewed on TV last night, and if they are her character witnesses, (and she's anything like them) this case is not going to go in their favor. It'll be easy to portray her as a weak-minded fangirl.

The three of them standing in a row was like a big wind tunnel. One of them didn't even have the sense to spit out her gum - she was chewing it WITH HER MOUTH open on national TV.

[James]

I think rape is very much about sex and frustration . .. the feminists and some lawyers have tried to mek it about power because it changes the dynamic and makes it easier to argue a case.

If rape is about sex . . . well it gets less sympathy.

Originally posted by Lady Pi Phi
I don't know where you come up with this stuff but rape isn't about sex, it's about power.

[absolutuscchick]

Originally posted by Silverblue
Let's see, he made a vow before God to remain faithful to his wife for the rest of their married lives. He broke that vow. Nope, still no sympathy. And as AOII_LB93 said, he should have thought about how this would impact his child in the future.

I don't know if he raped her or not. I haven't heard or seen the evidence the police have. When the case goes to trial, I'll just have to see how it all plays out. But until then, shame on him for cheating on his wife. He's old enough to know better.

And shame on the women who hang out at the games and throw themselves at the players. Talk about a lack of self-worth. I can't even begin to comprehend that mindset.

I agree with you 100% on everything you said here!

[bsp-mich24]

Shame on him! Now She & he has to face the facts in the courtroom (sp?) is changed!

[WhirlwindTNX]

Okay, I'm a little skeptical. I've seen too many times where an African American male has been accused by a Caucasian female of rape, was charged, then convicted, and then they found out it wasn't true. This happened to by cousin before I was born, he lost his spot on the Colts because of it and then they found out she was lying.

Then there is the story of the group of African American guys who supposedly rapped a Caucasian female in Central Park. . .it wasn't true and they didn't let them out till years later. The truth came out that there was only one kind of semen in the woman and it wasn't from any of the boys (now men). . .why did it take so long for them to prove that?

I feel sorry for the girl, and I think she has the right to press charges if it did happen. . .but if she didn't God help her soul because she would be putting an innocent man in prison. They just said on the news that Kobe will go to jail for life. . .something doesn't seem right to me. . .after so many years of rappists going free and people not getting life for rape. . .something seems wrong about the whole situation. . .

If someone can let me know more about the case, I'd love to know. All of the news is trying make both of them look bad, which is just disgusting. . .anyone know any facts?



And. . .if no one agrees with me. . .it's all good. I'm not expecting you too.