Playing the race card? - Page 3

Honeykiss1974 · #31 06-26-2003, 12:42 PM

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Originally posted by damasa
Actually even if Clay did win, I'm sure Rueben would still get that kind of publicity. After all look at how Justin blew up after Kelly won during the previous season. I didn't really matter which won because both "made it."

I don't feel race is an issue here...

Justin blew up

? Seriously, because I haven't heard nothing from him since his appearance on AI. I take that back, didn't he and Kelly do a movie?

Anyway, I agree with Sistermadly, that Rueben's girth probably has something to do with it. People have been commenting on it since day one.

PM_Mama00 · #32 06-26-2003, 01:11 PM

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Originally posted by Bamboozled
Why was Clay on the cover of RS and not Ruben? Why is Clay's single selling more than Ruben's? Why does it seem as though Clay won AI on not Ruben?

Because Ruben's PR team SUCKS!!!

Where is Ruben? Have you seen him? I haven't...... Now anybody who read my posts on the AI thread knows that I was a huge Ruben fan. When he won, I was ecstatic. But now that the dust has settled, I'm pretty disappointed in ol' Rube. This kid seems to have no drive and no determination to monopolize on his 15 minutes of fame. In interviews, I've heard people ask him what's next for him and he replys with, "I'm just blessed that God has let me make it this far." Ok, now I'm all for counting your blessings, but I also know that God helps those who help themselves. Having your inexperienced brother and various other family members as your manager/PR team/agent is not going to work in this business. If Ruben had the right people behind him, he'd have been on a lot of covers, and done promotional tours/publicity stunts by now. Hell, he hasn't even been on the cover of Ebony, Essence, Savoy, etc... Jet is his only claim to fame .

I am not in the music industry, but even I know that it's all about hustle. Nothing's going to fall in your lap. So, I think that Clay just has more hustle, a better team behind him and a desire to milk this thing for all he can. Ruben seems to just be happy with having the title "American Idol". So, to the victor goes the spoils......

I bet y'all thought I was going to say it was a matter of race, didn't you, LOL.......

I agree with you totally. If Ruben (and his PR team) had the drive to get him out in the public, he'd be out there and would definately be getting his share of "famous time".

I think Mr Enlightenment is tryin to spark up a race argument but please, we've had enough of those on GC so can we not play the race card AGAIN? If it was a matter of race then RUBEN WOULDN"T HAVE WON!

ZTAMiami · #33 06-26-2003, 01:26 PM

Don't balme it on Ruben! I'm sure he had no idea how the music industry worked before he won the show. Don't they have contracts from the same production company? So aren't they being taken care of by the same people? I hope things pick up for him.
I think RS probably chose Clay because he is more musically versatile than Ruben.

LeslieAGD · #34 06-26-2003, 02:07 PM

Just wanted to repeat this:

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Originally posted by LeslieAGD
RS came out and said they chose Clay because he had more charisma and was more open to talking about his life.

PiKA2001 · #35 06-26-2003, 02:10 PM

WHO CARES??

APhiAngel · #36 06-26-2003, 02:25 PM

Sistermadly, Leslie AGD, and White Choco: we should all get together and play a mad game of UNO!!!!!

Maybe bring some Rummy into the Mix.

On another note, I feel that although in some ok many places race is considered and issue, I doe not feel that this is what's happening right now. I don't really like AI, never really got into it (I was always a fan of the Bachelor). To bring race into the whole thing is not a great idea, because there are times where that's not the case. But there are some people out there who are sensitive to that issue (as they have the right to be). I just agree with those who say that Clay, has more of a fan base, and it just seems like he appeals to todays youth more. But, anyhoo I have heard Ruben's voice and I LOVE IT!!!! I think that he deserved to win, and he is a very talented singer.

Also, I am wondering why does AI even have a winner because the 2nd place person gets just as much publicity. Since that happened then what's the point for a 1st place winner. I.E. WHY oh WHY did Justin get a whole crap load of publicity, when he was in second place. I just don't understand

I didn't mean to offend anyone.
So, anyways lets play some cards

and that's my $0.02

p.s. PM Mama, I agree that if this whole thing was a race issue then Ruben wouldn't have won anyways. WELL SAID

sugar and spice · #37 06-26-2003, 02:30 PM

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Originally posted by APhiAngel
p.s. PM Mama, I agree that if this whole thing was a race issue then Ruben wouldn't have won anyways. WELL SAID

That isn't necessarily true. The entire population of America was allowed to vote in American Idol, but only the editors of Rolling Stone are allowed to pick who goes on the cover. Just because America picked the black man doesn't mean the editors of RS can't be racist.

LeslieAGD · #38 06-26-2003, 02:53 PM

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Originally posted by APhiAngel
Also, I am wondering why does AI even have a winner because the 2nd place person gets just as much publicity. Since that happened then what's the point for a 1st place winner. I.E. WHY oh WHY did Justin get a whole crap load of publicity, when he was in second place. I just don't understand

Actually, I don't believe Kelly and Justin received the same amount of publicity last year (except for the movie). Justin wasn't even able to release his album until after Kelly released hers.
Maybe they changed it this year because they realized they had two equally talented people up for the AI title.

Bamboozled · #39 06-26-2003, 03:36 PM

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Originally posted by ZTAMiami
Don't balme it on Ruben! I'm sure he had no idea how the music industry worked before he won the show. Don't they have contracts from the same production company? So aren't they being taken care of by the same people? I hope things pick up for him.
I think RS probably chose Clay because he is more musically versatile than Ruben.

Um yeah, I am going to blame it on Ruben and the people behind him. Winning AI was just a foot in the door, not a guaranteed ticket to everlasting fame and fortune. I totally understand that RS may have catered to Clay because he's more of what their intended audience wants, but there is also an intended audience for Ruben. BUT WHERE IS HE? It all comes down to marketing. Either you're going to quietly fade into oblivion or your going to make your mark in the industry. People like Jennifer Lopez, Britanny Spears, Beyonce, etc.... are not so popular because of their talent necessarily. It's because no matter what we read or what channel we watch or which station we listen to, there they are. If Clay and Ruben do have the same publicist, they are clearly favoring Clay. He needs to fire them like yesterday and find people who will work in his best interest. Success without a plan = failure.

dzandiloo · #40 06-26-2003, 03:42 PM

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Originally posted by LeslieAGD
Actually, I don't believe Kelly and Justin received the same amount of publicity last year (except for the movie). Justin wasn't even able to release his album until after Kelly released hers.
Maybe they changed it this year because they realized they had two equally talented people up for the AI title.

I actually heard an interview w/Nikki McKibbin where she said they changed that rule b/c Tamyra was screwed over by it (the powers that be--and most everyone else--believe Tamyra should have been the true AI1). According to the rule, she has to wait until after Kelly, Justin AND Nikki release their albums--and it took Kelly almost a year to release hers...thus the wind went out of their sales when their 15 minutes were up. Look at poor Justin's album sales. Anyway, I think Tamyra will be OK, though b/c she has alot of talent & was able to stay in the spotlight w/Boston Public all year.

enlightenment06 · #41 06-26-2003, 03:52 PM

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Originally posted by PM_Mama00
I agree with you totally. If Ruben (and his PR team) had the drive to get him out in the public, he'd be out there and would definately be getting his share of "famous time".

I think Mr Enlightenment is tryin to spark up a race argument but please, we've had enough of those on GC so can we not play the race card AGAIN? If it was a matter of race then RUBEN WOULDN"T HAVE WON!

I wasn't trying to spark up an argument about race, this simply was a subject that was on my mind and I decided to ask other people's opinion's. Like I said, I'm not trying to make any definite accusations nor do I really care that much about American Idol, I'm not losing sleep over it, lol. I just wanted to know what other people thought.

sigtau305 · #42 06-26-2003, 03:57 PM

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Originally posted by PiKA2001
WHO CARES??

I agree with Pika2001 and enlightment06, I'm not losing any sleep on this as well. To me , both of them came out as winners. period.

LeslieAGD · #43 06-26-2003, 03:58 PM

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Originally posted by dzandiloo
Anyway, I think Tamyra will be OK, though b/c she has alot of talent & was able to stay in the spotlight w/Boston Public all year.

Anyone know if she's coming back next season?

Bamboozled · #44 06-26-2003, 04:16 PM

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Originally posted by PiKA2001
WHO CARES??

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Originally posted by sigtau305
I agree with Pika2001 and enlightment06, I'm not losing any sleep on this as well. To me , both of them came out as winners. period.

These have got to be the most annoying types of posts in the world. If you don't care, get the f*ck out. Why interrupt our discussion with your insipid opinions???

*This is not directed at enlightment06 even though his name appears above....

sigtau305 · #45 06-26-2003, 04:41 PM

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Originally posted by Bamboozled
These have got to be the most annoying types of posts in the world. If you don't care, get the f*ck out. Why interrupt our discussion with your insipid opinions???

*This is not directed at enlightment06 even though his name appears above....

Bamboozled, I'm not trying to interrupt the discussion, It's just that I have read/ heard how Clay should have won instead of Reuben. If you have read the article in Rolling Stone, Clay Has stated that it's just a T.V. Show. He's Happy that both Reuben and Him are both winners. and I simply agree. It doesn't bother me if someone doesn't agree with my opinion. that's cool. Everyone's entitled to their own opinions/comments. But that's doesn't mean you have to get upset about it. I respect everyone who voice their opinions, Good or Bad.