President's speech

[adduncan]

You mean "Question Authority"?

Why should I????

[agger_rob]

Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
So why can we have weapons of mass destruction if they can't? They're as strong, if not stronger, in their convictions and righteousness than we are - so who are we to tell them what to do? I think we need a good old dose of isolationism right now - I am so sick of being everybody's baby-sitter.

You'll get no argument from me. I think it's pathetic that we have to live in a world where this is even an issue. But sadly, it is and now we have to deal with it. If we're not the "babysitter" who will look out for America? Do you want to leave that to England, Spain, FRANCE?

[VirtuousErudite]

Originally posted by MTSUGURL
I think her point was that now would be the time to try supporting each other. Unity is not a bad thing - quite the contrary. Not saying everyone has to agree, but maybe it wouldn't be so horrible to realize that we are going to war, and we can help each other through the difficult times ahead. Americans do not HAVE to fight with each other because "it is the American thing to do".

texas*princess, I hope all is well with your loved ones.

Crystal

You don't have to say you are for the war to support the troops who are being sent away. I personally have friends AND FAMILY who are gone and I definately support the brave men and women who are fighting for this country but I also don't feel like I have to silence any opposing views about the war. I find it very funny that one of the reasons that Bush wants to go to Iraq is to "bring democracy to the people" yet so many of his supporters are having a hissy fit if anyone so much as says they disagree with Bushes agenda. That is not very democractic.

[dekeguy]

The President did a fine job in the speech last night. He laid out his message in clear terms without any spin.
We as a nation have been attacked and thousands of our fellow Americans and hundreds of our friends have been murdered.
The President said that the object was to track down international terrorists and root them and those who support them out.
Saddam runs a terrorist super market providing funds, training, and lots of nasty stuff to international terrorists while at the same time running a 'government' based on terror, murder, rape, and atrocity.
OK, my Commander in Chief has given that son of a bitch 48 hours to get the hell out of Dodge or face off in the street.
Fine by me, now excuse me while I inspect my command once more and make sure we are ready to slap leather when the order comes down. Judging by my troopers mood right now, if I were Saddam I really would not want to do anything other than get out of Dodge, pronto. And, OBTW, we are targeting the leadership and those who want to fight. We are carefully prepared to bypass and not engage those who do not want to fight. It presents a bit more danger to us, but unlike our adversaries, we do try to fight clean.

[starang21]

Originally posted by dekeguy
The President did a fine job in the speech last night. He laid out his message in clear terms without any spin.
We as a nation have been attacked and thousands of our fellow Americans and hundreds of our friends have been murdered.
The President said that the object was to track down international terrorists and root them and those who support them out.
Saddam runs a terrorist super market providing funds, training, and lots of nasty stuff to international terrorists while at the same time running a 'government' based on terror, murder, rape, and atrocity.
OK, my Commander in Chief has given that son of a bitch 48 hours to get the hell out of Dodge or face off in the street.
Fine by me, now excuse me while I inspect my command once more and make sure we are ready to slap leather when the order comes down. Judging by my troopers mood right now, if I were Saddam I really would not want to do anything other than get out of Dodge, pronto. And, OBTW, we are targeting the leadership and those who want to fight. We are carefully prepared to bypass and not engage those who do not want to fight. It presents a bit more danger to us, but unlike our adversaries, we do try to fight clean.

the US fight clean? right.......now that's a new one. if anything, we do just as much dirt as the next country.

Originally posted by starang21
the US fight clean? right.......now that's a new one. if anything, we do just as much dirt as the next country.

starang,

please provide me with credentials so i can believe you know anything about how the US fights war. I would like know service dates and tours of duty please.

If you have served this country in the military, please enlighten me and explain to me why the training you recieved was so at odds with the training that myself, the other 60 cadets i was in ROTC with at A&M, the hundreds of cadets i was at Advanced Camp with, my 2 retired officer parents, and my friends that enlisted in HS all recieved on how to adhere to Geneva Convention standards and that innocents are not targets.


Kitso
KS 361

[starang21]

Originally posted by AggieSigmaNu361
starang,

please provide me with credentials so i can believe you know anything about how the US fights war. I would like know service dates and tours of duty please.

If you have served this country in the military, please enlighten me and explain to me why the training you recieved was so at odds with the training that myself, the other 60 cadets i was in ROTC with at A&M, the hundreds of cadets i was at Advanced Camp with, my 2 retired officer parents, and my friends that enlisted in HS all recieved on how to adhere to Geneva Convention standards and that innocents are not targets.


Kitso
KS 361

becuase i don't serve, therefore i don't know anything about the dirty operations of the united states? right....and because you serve that gives you the supreme knowledge of how the united states does things? sure sounds like someone who is trying to show out here. there's a reason as to why you don't see a whole lot of stuff out there on TV. and i thought it was common knowledge that the US has just as much dirt on its hands the rest of the world. i also figured that people wouldn't be so gullible to believe all of the propoganda that is out there in the media as well.

[Honeykiss1974]

Originally posted by starang21
becuase i don't serve, therefore i don't know anything about the dirty operations of the united states? right....and because you serve that gives you the supreme knowledge of how the united states does things? sure sounds like someone who is trying to show out here. there's a reason as to why you don't see a whole lot of stuff out there on TV. and i thought it was common knowledge that the US has just as much dirt on its hands the rest of the world. i also figured that people wouldn't be so gullible to believe all of the propoganda that is out there in the media as well.

I agree. Apparently, we are just angels
Doesn't Oliver North has a political talk show.

[starang21]

Originally posted by Honeykiss1974
I agree. Apparently, we are just angels
Doesn't Oliver North has a political talk show.

according to all the the "patriots and real americans," we are angels. because, hey we're america...we can do NO wrong.

[AXJules]

I think there's a difference between America playing dirty and our soldiers acting with dirt on their hands.

From the people I know in the service, they are trained to serve with the the utmost respect for innocent civilians. They are sent to do a job, kill as few people as possible, and get the hell out of there.

Obviously there are things going on that the media isn't going to show, but I don't think it's our soldiers tormenting people. What they're not showing is our raids that have caught more terrorists, maybe things we found out before hand that would have made everyone hysterical if they knew. (I'm talking about things other countries/groups have done to us.) One example- over the summer they said to be on the watch for terrorists in scuba suits along the eastern coast. Everyone thought this was hilarious and then there was no coverage of it on the news afterward, so we all assumed it didn't happen. My Bf's best friend was actually sent off the coast of Virginia, and was there when they caught 2 of the guys.

SO.....do our troops play dirty??? In general, no they do not, nor are they trained to. Does our country??? They're war games guys....everybody does.

[starang21]

Originally posted by AXJules

SO.....do our troops play dirty??? In general, no they do not, nor are they trained to. Does our country??? They're war games guys....everybody does.

didn't i say that?

[AXJules]

Not really.

When AggieSigNu spoke about the troops' moral training, you were just like, I know what goes on, you don't have superior knowledge of the subject, whatever. My answer was a combination of the both of yours.

And, on a side note, is there a reason you're always so pissed off on here? It seems like you never post unless you want to attack someone, be sarcastic, or argue.

I'm a sarcastic person and love an argument as much as the next person, but AHHHHH chill out !!!!

[starang21]

Originally posted by AXJules
Not really.

When AggieSigNu spoke about the troops' moral training, you were just like, I know what goes on, you don't have superior knowledge of the subject, whatever. My answer was a combination of the both of yours.

And, on a side note, is there a reason you're always so pissed off on here? It seems like you never post unless you want to attack someone, be sarcastic, or argue.

I'm a sarcastic person and love an argument as much as the next person, but AHHHHH chill out !!!!

i never post here? hahaha, that's a new one. i'm getting called out here. first of all, look at my first post on here

the US fight clean? right.......now that's a new one. if anything, we do just as much dirt as the next country.

that sure sounds like i'm accusing the individual soldiers, right? when responded to him, i didn't say anything about him not knowing anything...that was him who was saying that. my comment was saying that just because he's been trained and the such, that doesn't mean that he knows about all of the underhanded dealings of the US. get it? he accused me of not knowing anything because i'm not in the armed forces? or is that me? i forget . as to this business of me posting to cause trouble, why not look at my post history. i bet most of them have nothing to do with arguing. becuase i disagree with you, you seem to think i'm trying to cause trouble. is that a sign of immaturity?

[dekeguy]

Starang21,
As an ROTC cadet during my undergraduate days I received very focused training on the specifics of US military doctrine with great emphasis on what is acceptable and what is not acceptable. (UCMJ, Rules of Engagement, Law of Land Warfare, Geneva Accords, etc).
After graduation I was on active duty for three years before going to Law School. During that initial period of active duty I received extensive training in the Law of Land Warfare, the Uniform Code of Military Justice, the requirements of the Geneva Accords, and the philosophy of how we as Americans fight. We don't target civilians, we don't tolerate atrocities much less use atrocities as a matter of routine policy in the manner of Saddam and his ilk, and we receive very specific training on how we fight in an honorable manner.
Since recall to active duty I have received intense refresher training which included very clear explanations of just exactly what was acceptable conduct and what was not.
I have personally ensured that every soldier under my command is fully aware of what we are going to do, how we are going to do it, and what are the rules of engagement.
We are not an armed mob of unruly thugs, we are the United States Army, an army that every American can be proud of no matter what your position happens to be regarding the President and his decisions.
We do not blindly set out to lay waste, we engage with clear objectives and within clearly established rules of engagement.
Your comments are outrageous and an insult to your United States Army and to the Soldiers, your fellow Americans, who will carry out the hard work.
You have the right to express your opinion but when you insult the integrity and honor of my Soldiers I have the right to my opinion of you. I am deeply disappointed that you would utter such a blanket accusation regarding those who have sworn an oath to protect and defend our nation and its people.

[AXJules]

I never said you don't post on here. And actually, I did a search history to check myself before I sounded like a bitch. You have more posts than me, congratulations. This is something I've thought for awhile and maybe you caught me on a bad day or something but its not what you say, but the way you say it.

[Quote] as to this business of me posting to cause trouble, why not look at my post history. i bet most of them have nothing to do with arguing. becuase i disagree with you, you seem to think i'm trying to cause trouble. is that a sign of immaturity? [Quote]

Tons of people disagree with me on here- thank god, or else it wouldn't be a discussion board. I'm not really sure what you're asking here, but if you're implying that I'm immature, you're the one flinging insults because I asked you to be nice.

Yeah, he is the one who insinuated that you didn't have deep knowledge about how we fight war. Maybe its b/c your original post wasn't that clear, I dunno....I'm not really concerned with why you guys are disagreeing. My point is that you do that, and then you quote me like "Didn't I just say that??? OMG I've had it, how stupid......seriously there's no need for an attitude like that.