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[RedAngel]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by 12dn94dst:
I've followed this discussion and its very interesting. I agree with what my soror 12dndst said. I think Poplife question was if there was if there are African American sororities on campus why weren't we accepted into them. People were accepted into African-American Sororities that were founded at Howard (AKA, DST and Zeta). Each group formed because their founders (AKA, DST, and Zeta) had a common vision which is the betterment of African-American communities but a different emphasis or programs to get there.

[prettygyrl]

YOU ASKED HOW I WOULD FEEL IF I WAS ONLINE WITH A WHITE GIRL? THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I AM NOT WORRIED ABOUT AT MY SCHOOL. BELEIVE IT OR NOT WE ALL GET ALONG BUT WE ARE FOR THE MOST PART HAPPILY SEGREGATED! YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE ARE WHITE WOMEN IN MY SORORITY OF CHOICE! IF I MAKE IT I WILL ALWAYS REMEMBER WHAT ONE GREEK ALWAYS TOLD ME THAT IS...........EVERY FRIEND IS NOT A SOROR AND EVERY SOROR IS NOT YOUR FRIEND!!!!! OK

[DiSTinguished]

Prettygyrl:
I have been reading many of your posts and you sure have a lot to say about greek life and how you are going to be if you become greek. I find it very interesting that you are so sure of how it will be. As is the name of this topic, I have become Curious to know which school you attend. Anyhow, I too had been told the same thing about "Every friend is not your Soror and every Soror is not your friend"; however, I took that as one Sorors words to me and digested them for myself and came away with my own meaning. (I think this is important in being an independent thinker). Since I am a great fan of logic, here is my argument. I agree with the first part of the statement that not every friend will be my Soror, for example my husband will never be my Soror just as none of my male friends will be, same goes for my mother or any childhood friends I have who joined other organizations (you get my point). However the second statement is not so clearcut in its interpretation. "Every Soror is not my friend" can be a true fact because I do not know all of my Sorors; therefore, they cannot all be my friends. Of course, this leads to a discussion about friendship that I will not go into. However, since you used this quote as an answer to my question of having "white" Sorors, I know that you did not interpret this statement quite so literally. Therefore, let me address it the way you meant for me to address it. "Every Soror is not your Friend" is an ATTITUDE. It can be a defensive attitude or an offensive attitude. I choose to have this attitude in a defensive way. By this I mean that I do not meet a Soror and right away she is my friend. It takes time for that relationship to develop. I think this advice was given to me by my Soror because she had been disappointed by her idealism. However, I know that she did not tell me this in order to for me to discriminate against other Sorors, rather she and I both welcome the opportunity to get to know new Sorors.
It seems to me that you have chosen to adopt
this attitude in an offensive way, by this I mean determining in advance that there are some people that are not worthy of being your frined and are only your "Soror" in name or in public. Your reason for not feeling the person worthy of your friendship is because she is "white". Considering your strong anti-hazing stance, how would you feel if a Soror didn't feel you were worthy of her friendship because you were "paper".
There are some who choose to adopt this attitude toward their Sorors for a number of reasons: they are "white", they are "paper", they pledged "Alumnae Chapter", they didn't pledge at an "HBCU", they didn't pledge at "Howard", they didn't pledge in my "Region" etc....The list goes on and on.
Again, I am quite intrigued to the extent of your relationship with the members of your sorority of choice at your school. They seem to discuss a lot of things with you. One more question......do you feel the same way about all non-black people or just white people? Again, I look forward to your response.

Originally posted by prettygyrl:
YOU ASKED HOW I WOULD FEEL IF I WAS ONLINE WITH A WHITE GIRL? THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I AM NOT WORRIED ABOUT AT MY SCHOOL. BELEIVE IT OR NOT WE ALL GET ALONG BUT WE ARE FOR THE MOST PART HAPPILY SEGREGATED! YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE ARE WHITE WOMEN IN MY SORORITY OF CHOICE! IF I MAKE IT I WILL ALWAYS REMEMBER WHAT ONE GREEK ALWAYS TOLD ME THAT IS...........EVERY FRIEND IS NOT A SOROR AND EVERY SOROR IS NOT YOUR FRIEND!!!!! OK

[prettygyrl]

Actually distinguished I do not claim to know what "greek life" would be like. I speak of how "I" would conduct myself if I am honored with the chance to become greek. I can only control my actions. Alot of people who read my post take it the way they want to instead of the way it is. At the same time I am greatful for those who understand what I am saying. Some people insist on wanting to make what I say out to be a "i hate white people" type of deal! I have never said that! BASICALLY WHAT I HAVE SAID IS THAT I DO NOT BELEIVE IN INTERRACIAL RELATONSHIPS AMONG BLACKS AND WHITES! I HAVE SAID THAT I DO NOT BELEIVE THAT WHITE PEOPLE SHOULD BE A APART OF AN BGLO! I DO NOT HAVE TO BE "GREEK" TO HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT "GREEKS". SO YOU CAN STOP BEGINNING TOUR POST WITH "FOR YOU NOT TO BE GREEK" OKAY! I KNOW I AM NOT GREEK AND SO DOES EVERYONE ELSE SO WHAT IS YOUR POINT. I STILL LOVE THE BGLOS. I LOVE WHAT THEY STAND FOR AND WHAT THEY HAVE ACCOMPLISHED FOR US! YOU KNOW THERE ARE SOME GREEK ORGS OUT THERE THAT ARE RACIALLY MIXED ACROSS THE BOARD! AND HEY THAS COOL! BUT THERE ARE SOME "WHITE" GREEK ORGS WHO HAVE NOTHING BUT WHITE PEOPLE IN THEM OR JUST A FEW BLACKS! I GUARANTEE YOU THAT ALOT OF THEM LIKE THEIR ORGS TO REMAIN AS WHITE AS POSSIBLE. I MEAN THE ONLY REASON THEY LET BLACKS IN IN THE FIRST PLACE IS BECAUSE THE LAW SAID THEY HAD TO! IN ALL ACUALITY THAT IS THE ONLY REASON BGLOS DID IT! I MEAN BE REAL WITH YOURSELF, IF THE LAW DID NOT MANDATE THE SEGREGATION OF THESE ORGS DO YOU REALLY THINK THEY WOULD BE! IF THEY WERE COMPLETELY SEGREGATED I AM SURE THE WORLD WOULD CONTINUE TO FUCNTION JUST FINE! BECAUSE SEGRAGATION IS NOT ALWAYS BETTER, IT ACTUALLY DOES NOT WORKKOUT IN SOME INSTANCES! IF YOUR A WHITE PERSON OR A BLACK PERSON ON A COLLEGE CAMPUS AND THERE ARE BLGOS AND GLOS ON CAMPUS AND THE BLACK PERSON JOINS A WHITE GREEK ORG. AND THE WHITE PERSON A BLACK ORG. I HAVE TO WONDER WHY? WHY WOULD A WHITE PERSON PLEDGE A BGLO AS OPPOSED TO A WHITE ONE. DOES THAT PERSON REALLY FEEL AS IF THEY IDENTIFY MORE WITH BLACK PEOPLE AS OPPOSED TO WHITE? THIS WORKS BOTH WAYS! I MEAN PEOPLE CAN COME IN THESE FORUMS AND SAY THEY FEEL THIS WAY OR THAT WAY ALL DAY LONG BUT I BET THAT MEMBERS OF BGLOS WHO SEE BLACKS IN THE OPPOSTIE ORG WHEN THEY HAD THE CHOICE, WONDER WHAT WAS UP WITH THAT? I MEAN WHAT IS THE REAL MEANING BEHIND IT? NOT THAT THERE IS ANYTHING WRONG WITH ASSOCIATION AMONGST THE TWO RACES BUT, WHAT WAS RIGHT ABOUT A WHITE ORG TO A BLACK PERSON AS OPPOSED TO A BGLO? AND VICE VERSA! YOU CAN LIVE NEXT DOOR TO A WHITE PERSON YOUR WHOLE LIFE! WHETHER IT IS IN A RICH NEIGHBOR HOOD OR A POOR ONE. YALL COULD EVEN BE FRIENDS ALL YOUR LIFE BUT AS YOU GROW UP YOU WILL SEE THAT YOU STILL IDENTIFY WITH YOUR PEOPLE MORE AND IT GOES BOTH WAYS! THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. BLACK PEOPLE AND WHITE PEOPLE CAN GET ALONG HANG OUT AND EVEN CALL THEMSELVES FRIENDS WITHOUT ONE ATTEMPTING TO SUBMIT THEMSELVES TO THE OTHERS CULTURE. ARE YA FEELING ME YET? SHALL I BREAK IT DOWN MORE! A WHITE GIRL AND I COULD BE FRIENDS WITHOUT HER DATING BLACK GUYS OR ME DATING WHITE GUYS OR ME JOINING AN WHITE ORG OR HER JOINING A BLACK ONE. THAT IS WHERE INTERGRATION BECOMES A PROBLEM! THAT IS WHAT IS MEANT BY SEGRGATION IS SOMETIMES BETTER! FOR ME, IT IS NOT ABOUT ME HATING THEM OR THEM HATING ME! IT IS ABOUT BEING ABLE TO DEAL WITH EACH OTHER WITHOUT TRYING TO IMITATE THE OTHER! AS I SAID BEFORE I HAVE WHITE GIRLS THAT I AM COOL WITH AND EVEN SOME IN MY FAMILY! BUT THEY ALL KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT THESE THINGS! I DO NOT BITE MY TONGUE! MY BROTHER IS WITH A WHITE GIRL, I TALK TO HER, GO OUT WITH HER, AND EVERYTHING! SHE KNOWS I DO NOT LIKE INTERRACIAL DATING AND SO DOES HE! BUT I CAN NOT CHOOSE HIS LOVE LIFE FOR HIM AND I AM NOT IGNORANT TO WHERE I WOULD EVER DISOWN HIM OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT! I POST IN THIS FORUM AND EXSPRESS MY FEELINGS AS I EXSPRESS THEM TO PEOPLE I SEE EVERDAY. STILL THEY WILL CHOOSE THEIR PATH AND I MINE! I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT MY BROTHER IS NOT UP ON HIS HISTORY NOR IS SHE AND IF THEY CAN GO THROUGH LIFE THAT WAY THEN THAT IS A DECISION THEY HAVE TO LIVE WITH. WOULD I HAVE RATHER MY BROTHER BE WITH A BLACK WOMAN HELL YEA! IS HE, HELL NO! AND LIFE GOES THE FUCK ON! I WILL NEVER DATE A WHITE MAN NOR WILL I EVER FEEL LIKE A WHITE PERSON SHOULD BE A PART OF THE BGLOS(OR VICE VERSA)! IF YOU FEEL OTHERWISE THEN THAT IS YOU. IF I CROSS INTO MY SORORITY OF CHOICE AND COME ACROSS A WHITE SOROR, I CAN'T LOVE HER LIKE MY SISTER AND NO ONE CAN MANDATE THAT I DO! AND IF YOU ARE GREEK OR FOR WHO EVER IS GREEK AND MAY COME ACROSS WHITE PEOPLE IN YOUR ORGS AND YOU EMBRACE THEM WITH LOVE THEN I CAN NOT MANDATE THAT YOU DON'T! WE LIVE AND WE LEARN AND I WILL CONTINUE TO HOPE AND PRAY THAT EVERYONE LEARNS. IF A BLACK PERSON CAN LOVE A WHITE PERSON WITH THE SAME DEEP LOVE THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE FOR ME THEN I HAVE TO QUESTION JUST HOW MUCH YOU REALLY LOVE ME?

[AlphaChiGirl]

Prettygyrl,
There seems to be a good bit of anger in your posts, especially your most recent one. FYI, GLOs became integrated (if only on a chapter basis) before BGLO's did...if I'm not mistaken, didn't a black woman pledge Sigma Kappa during the 1940's? I understand that you're not greek, and I was speaking from a position similar to yours recently, but there seems to be a lot of anger in your posts, especially those regarding interracial relationships. You may not approve of them, and you may not approve of whites or non-blacks joining BGLO's, but this has been going on since before your time, and it will be going on after your time. Also, how are you so sure that you won't have a non-black line sister? Even if you are planning on attending an HBCU, I know plenty of non-black members of Greek organizations, who pledged at HBCU's. Also, just because a person pledges an organization with which you do not agree doesn't mean they want to be black. It just means (in my case, at least), that they did the research, understood their campus climate, and decided the sorority/fraternity in which he/she felt the most comfortable, and would be able to make the most impact. It's really not in your best interest to criticize people who do pledge BGLO's (or don't), or those who choose to follow their hearts in an interracial relationship. Good luck with your first year of college.

Originally posted by prettygyrl:
Actually distinguished I do not claim to know what "greek life" would be like. I speak of how "I" would conduct myself if I am honored with the chance to become greek. I can only control my actions. Alot of people who read my post take it the way they want to instead of the way it is. At the same time I am greatful for those who understand what I am saying. Some people insist on wanting to make what I say out to be a "i hate white people" type of deal! I have never said that! BASICALLY WHAT I HAVE SAID IS THAT I DO NOT BELEIVE IN INTERRACIAL RELATONSHIPS AMONG BLACKS AND WHITES! I HAVE SAID THAT I DO NOT BELEIVE THAT WHITE PEOPLE SHOULD BE A APART OF AN BGLO! I DO NOT HAVE TO BE "GREEK" TO HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT "GREEKS". SO YOU CAN STOP BEGINNING TOUR POST WITH "FOR YOU NOT TO BE GREEK" OKAY! I KNOW I AM NOT GREEK AND SO DOES EVERYONE ELSE SO WHAT IS YOUR POINT. I STILL LOVE THE BGLOS. I LOVE WHAT THEY STAND FOR AND WHAT THEY HAVE ACCOMPLISHED FOR US! YOU KNOW THERE ARE SOME GREEK ORGS OUT THERE THAT ARE RACIALLY MIXED ACROSS THE BOARD! AND HEY THAS COOL! BUT THERE ARE SOME "WHITE" GREEK ORGS WHO HAVE NOTHING BUT WHITE PEOPLE IN THEM OR JUST A FEW BLACKS! I GUARANTEE YOU THAT ALOT OF THEM LIKE THEIR ORGS TO REMAIN AS WHITE AS POSSIBLE. I MEAN THE ONLY REASON THEY LET BLACKS IN IN THE FIRST PLACE IS BECAUSE THE LAW SAID THEY HAD TO! IN ALL ACUALITY THAT IS THE ONLY REASON BGLOS DID IT! I MEAN BE REAL WITH YOURSELF, IF THE LAW DID NOT MANDATE THE SEGREGATION OF THESE ORGS DO YOU REALLY THINK THEY WOULD BE! IF THEY WERE COMPLETELY SEGREGATED I AM SURE THE WORLD WOULD CONTINUE TO FUCNTION JUST FINE! BECAUSE SEGRAGATION IS NOT ALWAYS BETTER, IT ACTUALLY DOES NOT WORKKOUT IN SOME INSTANCES! IF YOUR A WHITE PERSON OR A BLACK PERSON ON A COLLEGE CAMPUS AND THERE ARE BLGOS AND GLOS ON CAMPUS AND THE BLACK PERSON JOINS A WHITE GREEK ORG. AND THE WHITE PERSON A BLACK ORG. I HAVE TO WONDER WHY? WHY WOULD A WHITE PERSON PLEDGE A BGLO AS OPPOSED TO A WHITE ONE. DOES THAT PERSON REALLY FEEL AS IF THEY IDENTIFY MORE WITH BLACK PEOPLE AS OPPOSED TO WHITE? THIS WORKS BOTH WAYS! I MEAN PEOPLE CAN COME IN THESE FORUMS AND SAY THEY FEEL THIS WAY OR THAT WAY ALL DAY LONG BUT I BET THAT MEMBERS OF BGLOS WHO SEE BLACKS IN THE OPPOSTIE ORG WHEN THEY HAD THE CHOICE, WONDER WHAT WAS UP WITH THAT? I MEAN WHAT IS THE REAL MEANING BEHIND IT? NOT THAT THERE IS ANYTHING WRONG WITH ASSOCIATION AMONGST THE TWO RACES BUT, WHAT WAS RIGHT ABOUT A WHITE ORG TO A BLACK PERSON AS OPPOSED TO A BGLO? AND VICE VERSA! YOU CAN LIVE NEXT DOOR TO A WHITE PERSON YOUR WHOLE LIFE! WHETHER IT IS IN A RICH NEIGHBOR HOOD OR A POOR ONE. YALL COULD EVEN BE FRIENDS ALL YOUR LIFE BUT AS YOU GROW UP YOU WILL SEE THAT YOU STILL IDENTIFY WITH YOUR PEOPLE MORE AND IT GOES BOTH WAYS! THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. BLACK PEOPLE AND WHITE PEOPLE CAN GET ALONG HANG OUT AND EVEN CALL THEMSELVES FRIENDS WITHOUT ONE ATTEMPTING TO SUBMIT THEMSELVES TO THE OTHERS CULTURE. ARE YA FEELING ME YET? SHALL I BREAK IT DOWN MORE! A WHITE GIRL AND I COULD BE FRIENDS WITHOUT HER DATING BLACK GUYS OR ME DATING WHITE GUYS OR ME JOINING AN WHITE ORG OR HER JOINING A BLACK ONE. THAT IS WHERE INTERGRATION BECOMES A PROBLEM! THAT IS WHAT IS MEANT BY SEGRGATION IS SOMETIMES BETTER! FOR ME, IT IS NOT ABOUT ME HATING THEM OR THEM HATING ME! IT IS ABOUT BEING ABLE TO DEAL WITH EACH OTHER WITHOUT TRYING TO IMITATE THE OTHER! AS I SAID BEFORE I HAVE WHITE GIRLS THAT I AM COOL WITH AND EVEN SOME IN MY FAMILY! BUT THEY ALL KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT THESE THINGS! I DO NOT BITE MY TONGUE! MY BROTHER IS WITH A WHITE GIRL, I TALK TO HER, GO OUT WITH HER, AND EVERYTHING! SHE KNOWS I DO NOT LIKE INTERRACIAL DATING AND SO DOES HE! BUT I CAN NOT CHOOSE HIS LOVE LIFE FOR HIM AND I AM NOT IGNORANT TO WHERE I WOULD EVER DISOWN HIM OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT! I POST IN THIS FORUM AND EXSPRESS MY FEELINGS AS I EXSPRESS THEM TO PEOPLE I SEE EVERDAY. STILL THEY WILL CHOOSE THEIR PATH AND I MINE! I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT MY BROTHER IS NOT UP ON HIS HISTORY NOR IS SHE AND IF THEY CAN GO THROUGH LIFE THAT WAY THEN THAT IS A DECISION THEY HAVE TO LIVE WITH. WOULD I HAVE RATHER MY BROTHER BE WITH A BLACK WOMAN HELL YEA! IS HE, HELL NO! AND LIFE GOES THE FUCK ON! I WILL NEVER DATE A WHITE MAN NOR WILL I EVER FEEL LIKE A WHITE PERSON SHOULD BE A PART OF THE BGLOS(OR VICE VERSA)! IF YOU FEEL OTHERWISE THEN THAT IS YOU. IF I CROSS INTO MY SORORITY OF CHOICE AND COME ACROSS A WHITE SOROR, I CAN'T LOVE HER LIKE MY SISTER AND NO ONE CAN MANDATE THAT I DO! AND IF YOU ARE GREEK OR FOR WHO EVER IS GREEK AND MAY COME ACROSS WHITE PEOPLE IN YOUR ORGS AND YOU EMBRACE THEM WITH LOVE THEN I CAN NOT MANDATE THAT YOU DON'T! WE LIVE AND WE LEARN AND I WILL CONTINUE TO HOPE AND PRAY THAT EVERYONE LEARNS. IF A BLACK PERSON CAN LOVE A WHITE PERSON WITH THE SAME DEEP LOVE THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE FOR ME THEN I HAVE TO QUESTION JUST HOW MUCH YOU REALLY LOVE ME?

Well, prettygirl, since you are so strong in your beliefs about whites in BGLO's, i will not try to change your mind. But, I do have a question. I am biracial (black and white), a product of an interracial couple. SInce you disagree with interracial mixing, do you disagree with biracial people joining a BGLO, because i plan to. And if you say yes, what makes this any different? Your mind is filled with much arrogance and ignorance. I think that when you discuss interacial mixing as a bad thing, you go very deep and insulting to people of all cultural decents. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't doubt that there was some white blood in you somewhere. Now, whats your reply? I look forward to it.

[Ghostface-Killah]

PRETTYGIRL!!!
Sorry ou feel some of my fellow greeks attack you but, many times it is the way you say things and not what you say. As a member of a BGLO, I have totell you that it has turned to be an experience. I am fascinated with the mixture of my org. My dean was Puerto Rican, My ADP Dominican and the of the Sorors in the chapter African Americans. We had nooo type of beef and when there was it was not over race nor color. If you see me, you would never guess I am not "BLACK" Damn baby girl!!!! just think, what if youget to college and half of the ladies in the org. you want to join are not BLACK? How you feel if they decided you are not "something enough (pretty, smart, hard working, or whatever) even before you get to show what youhave to offer? I would never try to change you ideas, but I would try to educate you and allow youtomake your choice. Why is it wrong for Rocker (the baseball player) to express himself the way he does, but it is ok for us minority? WE cannot expect a change if we don't start it ourselves.
WE HAVE TO MAKE IT HAPPEN!!!!STOP LICKING AT THE SKIN. MOST PEOPLE HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO OFFER THAN A DARK, FAIR, or WHITE skin color.
FREE YOUR MIND.... Great things are to come to you. Have you ever wonder of all the interesting people we don't allow ourselves get to know because of their color?

[prettygyrl]

Alpha Chi Girl um everything you said I have responded to over and over again! In different forums and this one. oh yea and I AM not angry at all are you?............elboogie my response to you is that i half expect you to defend intteracial anything cause thats what you are! SO YOU MUST UNDERSTAND WHY I FEEL SO DEEP ABOUT MY RACE CAUSE THAT IS WHAT I AM!I do have a friend though that is mixed her mother is white. She has lived he whole life with her white mother and SHE hates to see a Black man with a white woman. oh and there is NO white in me! I have traced my family history dear so if I missed something then it is way down the line somewhere! Even if it is some I had no control over that, I am sure that most Black people have some white traces in them after all THE SLAVE MASTERS DID RAPE THE BLACK WOMEN NOW DIDN'T THEY? THAT IS HOW IT STARTED ANYWAY RIGHT! I REALLY DO NOT APPRECIATE YOU CALLING ME IGNORANT CAUSE YOU DO NOT KNOW SHIT ABOUT ME! IF YOU CAN NOT DEAL WITH THE FACT THAT MY VIEWS ARE DIFFERENT THAN YOURS THEN I GUESS YOU ARE THE IGNORANT ONE! GHOSTFACE.......I am cool I do not really care if someone call themselves being hard on me I really do not care what they think! Unfortunately SOME STILL MISUNDERSTAND AND KEEP SAYING THAT I AM ANGRY OR I HATE WHITE PEOPLE ETC. ETC. SO I WILL CLOSE OUT OF THIS ONE AS WELL SAYING......THAT I AM VERY CONTENT ACTUALLY BUT I DO GET A LITTLE UPSET SOMETIMES WHEN I COME ACROSS CERTAIN SITUATIONS BUT FOR THE MOST PART I AM HAPPY! YALL THE ONE GETTING ANGRY. MY FEELINGS ARE AUTHENTIC. NO ONE CAN SHAKE THEM OR CHANGE THEM. I HAVE NO PROBLEMS DISCUSSING THESE THINGS WITH ANYONE FACE TO FACE NO MATTER WHAT RACE! IN THE CLASSROOM I EXSPRESS THEM. ON MY JOB I EXSPRESS THEM!SO COMING HERE AND EXSPRESSING THEM IS NO PROBLEM! I JUST FEEL THAT NOW IT IS SAID AND DONE WITH. FOR ME ANYWAY. I MEAN WE HAVE HAD THREE DIFFERENT FORUMS ON THIS STUFF. THEY ALL GETTING THE SAME RESPONSES IT IS VERY REDUNDANT! I AM NOT ANGRY WITH ANYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH ME. NO ONE SHOULD BE ANGRY WITH ME! I MEAN DAM WE ARE ALL FACELESS PEOPLE IN THIS FORUM SO WHY GET UPSET! I ADMIT I DID NOT LIKE IT WHEN THAT GIRL CALLED ME IGNORANT BUT SINCE I DO NOT KNOW HER WHY EVEN SWEAT IT? I HAVE ENJOYED MY TIME IN THESE PARTICULAR FORUMS I LEARNED A FEW THINGS. IN READING MOST OF THE RESPONSES TO ME, I LEARNED THAT MY BELIEFS ARE STILL FOR ME AND MOST PEOPLE IN HERE JUST HELPED ME BELEIVE IN THEM MORE. SO I GUESS I WILL SEE SOME OF YOU IN A NEW FORUM!

like i've said previously---prettygyrl-go get a life or a job or something. you are as ignorant as they come.

[mgdzkm433]

In prettygyrl's defense. . .

I am a white woman, an alum of a "white" sorority, but that is MY prefrence. This is all about opinions and prefrences people. If Prettygyrl has her opinions, that is FINE. Nobody said you had to agree with her. The reason I am commenting on this, I scan these forums and from what I've seen, every post is directed toward prettygyrl, and frankly, not all of them are so nice. I have stated my comments before, and if you have read what I have written, then you know that I don't agree with prettygyrl's statements. HOWEVER--I do respect her will and her mind. It goes for both sides of the argument, it is time to start being respectful. If you can't have a decent conversation and respect other's opinions, then you shouldn't be posting. Prettygyrl has a right to her own opinion--as does everyone. Treat each other with the respect that you would like for yourself.

[This message has been edited by mgdzkm433 (edited June 12, 2000).]

[cash78mere]

Miss Moderator-

I agree wholeheartedly about respecting other people and not attacking other people. But what i don't agree with is that when prettygyrl states her opinion--which is usually, if not always against white people--we need to expect that people will get upset. If we can't write negative comments directly to her, or ANYONE else for that matter, she should not be allowed to write negative comments about white people. I take the things that are said very personally and probably many other people do too. Whenever prettygyrl says something, everyone tells her to "keep speaking her mind" and "keep telling it the way she sees it" since it is her opinion. We can't have this double standard. It is not right that every time we come to read this board, we have to read a page long description of all the "bad" things that white people have done in the past. But then when we reply about how offended we are or try to educate the obviously uneducated, we get told not to attack.

Everyone has a right to their opinion, but they also have the right to have that opinion disputed. But I cannot sit here and read the post that prettygyrl wrote about a neglectful black mother being the only right mother for a child simply because the adopted, *loving* family is white without getting extermely mad. That is disgusting and something needs to be said. This type of post should NOT BE ENCOURAGED.

Miss Moderator, I am only asking that everyone be treated on an equal field. People should be allowed to their opinion, but when that opinion gets out of hand, it should not be tolerated. And the curses in the posts are NOT appropriate.

Thank you for listening, I hope you understand my point.

[mgdzkm433]

Cash,

I also think that the respect should be on the part of both sides that is why I said:

"It goes for both sides of the argument, it is time to start being respectful."

I too disagree with what prettygyrl says, but I am respectful and tolerant and watch what I say. I do think Prettygyrl could stand to clean up her responses a bit (this is why I said that it goes for both sides), however from what I have witnessed, most of the attacking is coming from the people angry at what pretty gyrl has to say. I too find a lot of what she has to say offensive, but what she has to say stems from something, it stems from the offensive things that she has had to encounter from 'white' people. I don't think prettygyrl is right about everything she says, and I wish I could change her mind, I would be lying if I didn't say that. But there are things she is VERY right about. One being that I will never be in her shoes, and I will never experience anything like the black community has ever experienced. She DOES come from a repressed peoples, and yes, white people did do this. So no, I don't blame her for her thoughts and feelings, but I don't think she's contributing to a solution, and THAT is what concerns me. We (as white people) put her in the shoes she's in and the attitude she has, so we can at least hear her out, or WE aren't contributing to a solution. When prettygyrl first started to post her feelings they were very much without vindictive phrases and offensive language, but people attacked her for what her opinion was. The only reason I pointed prettygyrl out is because she is being pointed out as being the bad person here, and she's not. Nobody is. So we ALL need to calm down. From both sides. We are well educated people, now lets act like it. Like our mother's used to say. . .two wrongs don't make a right.

Prettygyrl,
In regards to Whites and BGLO, I totally agree with you. I just have one concern about CREDIBILITY. This is very important when you are speaking to a group of people. If you would not have informed me that you were NOT part of any Greek organization, I would have really given you kudos (applause). Nevertheless, you are not, so that makes you look ignorant and makes you appear not to be credible to discuss this subject.(not to say that you aren't, we're talking about perception here) Just keep credibility in mind when you are talking publicly.

[prettygyrl]

SADELUV.......ONCE AGAIN WE MUST DISAGREE BECAUSE WHY DO I HAVE TO BE GREEK TO HAVE FEELINGS ABOUT OR TORWARD GREEKS? THAT WOULD BE LIKE SAYING SINCE YOU ARE NOT ME THEN DO NOT SPEAK ON ME RIGHT? (WHICH IS WHAT YOU ARE DOING) I DO NOT NEED TO BE GREEK TO HAVE RESPONSES THAT ARE CREDIBLE. ONCE AGIAN YOU ALL ACT AS IF PEOPLE IN BGLOS ARE SEPARATE FROM THE REST OF US BLACK PEOPLE! REGARDLESS OF WHETHER I AM GREEK OR INTERESTED IN BEING SO OR NOT INTERESTED AT ALL STILL THEY ARE APART OF MY STRUGGLE AND THEY ARE WORKING TORWARD MAKING A CHANGE IN OUR STRUGGLE SO YES I CAN VERY MUCH SO VOICE MY FEELINGS ON THINGS SUCH AS THIS ESPECIALLY SINCE I BELIEVE THINGS SUCH AS THIS MAY TAKE THEM IN ANOTHER DIRECTION OR DESTROY THE BGLOS ALL TOGETHER! I NEVER CLAIMED TO BE GREEK BUT AS AN PROSPECTIVE AND A BLACK PERSON THINGS OF THIS NATURE CAN DEFINITIELY AFFECT ME IN THE FUTURE. ONCE AGAIN YOU HAVE WITNESSED OR BEEN A PART OF OUR DIVISION BECAUSE FOR YOU TO FEEL WHAT I SAID AS UNCREDIBLE BECAUSE I AM NOT GREEK MEANS THAT YOU SEE US AS A SEPARATE ENTITY AND IF YOUR SELF LOVE WAS AS STRONG AS YOU CLAIM YOU WOULD KNOW THAT NO MATTER WHAT WE ARE WE ARE STILL ALL BLACK AND OUR WORD IS ALWAYS CREDIBLE WHEN WE ARE SPEAKING OF OURSELVES NO MATTER WHAT STATUS OR POSITION WE HOLD OR WHAT ORG WE BELONG TO OR DO NOT!!!!! AND THANKS MGDZKM FOR ONCE AGAIN RESPECTING MY OPINIONS! PEOPLE ARE ATTACKING ME PERSONALLY AND I BY NO MEANS WENT AROUND CALLING FOLKS IGNORANT AS THEY DO ME PEOPLE TOOK MY POST THE WRONG WAY AND THATS THEIR PROBLEM, PEOPLE GOT OFFENDED BECAUSE THEY CHOSE NOT TO UNDERSTAND, THEY CHOSE TO TAKE WHAT I SAID AND MAKE IT INTO SOMETHING ELSE. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY SOMEONE WOULD GET OFFENDED JUST BECAUSE I DO NOT BELEIVE IN INTERRACIAL DATING AND THE MIXING OF SOME SACRED ORGS. WHATS OFFENDING ABOUT THAT. THE WAY I SAID THINGS WERE TOOK OUT OF CONTEXT AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE.........THOSE ARE THE BREAKS! TO ALL THE HATERS PLEASE STOP HATING AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE..... I ONLY LOVE THE LOVE!

[mgdzkm433]

I just wanted to post here what I posted in another thread. Both BGLO's and GLO's were formed for different reason, beacuse of the race wars that have gone on for, in my opinion, too long. However, they have a common intrest, and that is to promote the community and to give us a means to do so. Both BGLO's and GLO's alike might have been formed for different reasons, but they share a common goal. I don't think you should join a BGLO because you are black or join a GLO because you are white, you should join them for what they stand for, not for what color they are based on. If you support research for breast cancer and that is important to you, join XYZ because that is their philanthropy, If you like Animal Rights, join TRQ because they help out at the local shelter. THAT is what they were formed FOR. Like I said, the REASON why they were formed might be different, but they still hold a common goal, and THAT is what is important. If you hold the ideals of a particular organization close to your heart, you should follow that path, not deny it because you are a different color than the rest of the members. It's just like saying that only Black men can be doctors, if some white boy has a dream to be a doctor, should he discard it because he's not black? NO! He should do what he is interested in. The same goes for greek organziations. Join what you are interested in. That's all I have to say about it.