fake Greeks

[SoTrue1920]

Originally posted by DGWannabe
Sotrue,
Please read my post again, especially the last part of it.I was sympathizing with Oneplus about how some organizations on campus seem to be held to lower standards by school officials.But then I talked about how they are real and so desearve to be viewed as such. I am not sure if the NPHC groups at my school are supposed to have a community based governing body or not. That was not my point. My point was that they are still greek and they are very real and they were founded with goals and ideals just like every other GLO.

If it wasn't your point, then why bring it up? Seriously, I posted that information because you said that it seems that NPHC groups are "breaking all the rules" and then gave examples to support your claim. I simply addressed those claims to let you know that what you see isn't always what you get, or in other words, just because there isn't an NPHC umbrella group on your campus, that there should be (and probably is) a city-wide group, and there are definitely graduate/alumni chapters of the NPHC organizations that oversee these chapters.

My main point for asking was to try to find out what school you're attending so that I can find out the NPHC situation at that school, so that if things really are going unchecked, someone can look into it.

As several other people have posted, what any memmber of a greek-lettered organization does has ramifications for all of us. If DG was embroiled in some nasty scandal, don't think for a minute that it doesn't have repercussions for me in Z-Phi-B. If you're really certain things aren't as they seem, why wouldn't you take steps to find out more about how the system works and to set a bug in someone's ear that something's wrong? Or is it because the systems are "different" that you feel what touches us doesn't touch you as a DG?

(Edited becuase I hadn't had my morning caffeine yet)

[MysticCat]

Originally posted by texas*princess (in part)
I would think that all the different GLO's have a risk management policy and a strict no-hazing policy.

Usually, these can be found on a GLO's website. FWIW, Kappa Kappa Psi's hazing policy can be found here.

[Steeltrap]

Originally posted by DGWannabe
Sotrue,
Please read my post again, especially the last part of it.I was sympathizing with Oneplus about how some organizations on campus seem to be held to lower standards by school officials.But then I talked about how they are real and so desearve to be viewed as such. I am not sure if the NPHC groups at my school are supposed to have a community based governing body or not. That was not my point. My point was that they are still greek and they are very real and they were founded with goals and ideals just like every other GLO.

**and to the person who implied that I did not know what I was talking about, I am mearly relaying my experience-which is valid.I am also getting my information (about the hazing/lack of advisor/why they refuse invitations to our functions/fundraisers etc.)from my roomate/friend and my sister in law. Both of whom are in the organization at my school.

Once again, if you are not actually part of the organization, you really should refrain from relaying your experience.

That's one reason why flame wars start on this site -- I've been here a year and a half and lurked for several months before -- and I've seen a whole bunch of mess break out over uninformed posts.

The only people who should be commenting on such matters are those actually in the sorority or fraternity.

[MTSUGURL]

Honestly, I'd like to see KKPsi and TBS and all those groups ultimately participate with the whole system, in philanthropies and such. But that's a long way off at this point

Personally, so would I. Now if we could just get the other groups on our campus to treat us as a real sorority...

[PandaOnProzac]

KKPsi and TBS do philantrophy. Since our main mission is to promote music we have outreach programs to local K-12 where we help coach young muscians and such.

My chapter is helping out a local HS that is trying to rebuild their band program. Sometimes the act of helping does more than the act of giving a check.

[texas*princess]

Originally posted by OnePlus69Is70
Thank you, Achtung, yes. All the other groups, NIC, NPC, NPHC, and Ethnic/Multicultural, have a council and an advisor, and their advisor ultimately reports to the head of Campus Activities. The professional groups have a faculty member as a sponsor, or even no sponsor at all, they just exist.

Honestly, I'd like to see KKPsi and TBS and all those groups ultimately participate with the whole system, in philanthropies and such. But that's a long way off at this point.

While professional groups have faculty advisors, those advisors should also report anything like hazing to he head of campus activities... all PGLO's are part of campus activities too..

And groups like KKY and other PGLO's participate in the "whole system". They also do philantrophy work, have brotherhood/sisterhood events, socials and things of that sort.

[JayBEE!!]

I'm apart of a the National Service Fraternity of Alpha Phi Omega. A Service Greek. We have to have 4 advisors. Only 2 of have to be faculty. I proud to be in an non-counciled organization. Something of which any organization who is a member can get out anytime they so desire. So if let say Delta Sigma Theta left The Pan-Hellenic Council. Would they not retain their greek status? Of course they would. But they are Delta Sigma Theta, Public Service Sorority. So you see it is up to the organization whether or not they feel the need to be apart of a council. After they mention the need then it is up to the council whether or not to accept them. And just because the council accepts them, it doesn't mean that individuals will accept them. Iota Phi Theta has had there share of non acceptance within the NPHC as well. And that is after becoming a member.

I think individual need to expand their minds to see that there are groups that are independent of the councils. And these Groups are indeed GLO's, as are we all. Some Service, Some Professional, even some who are Just Social.

So nobody should ever get the big head and think that Service "Greek" Lettered Organizations, or Professional "Greek" Lettered Organizations can not, should not, and never should call themselves what they themselves call themselves. I call myself a "Service Greek". And what I call myself is how I classify myself, I'm not in a sub organization of any other organization or council, so no council, can never and should ever try to put my group in a catagory other than where we put ourselves. That type of council mentality of creating rules should never go outside the council, in effort to attempt to affect non-affiliated organizations.

[DeltaSigStan]

Knowing about some of the BS from randoms that PandaOnProzac has dealt with as a member of KKY, I have to say that no matter what, if you're an established organization with Greek letters, those same generalizations that we get from a lot of ignorant GDIs are going to be placed no matter how good of a GLO you are.

I know that POP has gotten a lot of crap from people within the instrumental music world who think that ALL GLOs just party and get drunk and get high, and never take into account the different types of areas that each GLO is trying to reach. We're all being grouped together as this "negative influence" by people who think that we're "buying our friends".

So I say, no matter what, we're all greeks together, and of a lot of these ignorant randoms are going to stereotype ALL Greek Letters Organizations, then we need to unite as greeks to prove those morons wrong.