Pledging by Non-Citizens

[Kevin]

I don't think telling someone to leave based on the fact that he antagonizes others is a valid stance. Be antagonized. Respond to things or don't. He generated content and interest. He offered up some valid points and other points which just weren't. He posted some profoundly racist memes which were immediately removed. I don't think any of us looks at a post and asks whether it is antagonizing. We look at posts as to whether there's a personal attack or an attack on an argument.

Being from where I'm from, I can appreciate better than a lot of folks just how insular some communities are and how they think parading around town with Trump flags in impromtu parades while tearing down any and all Democrat signage is their patriotic duty. This is really going on in my community. I think dialog with these folks is a better goal than shouting them down or removing them from our lives.

It's hard to look at your signature and agree that everyone gets a fair shake here but I can only speak for myself and my own work, which I hope holds up.

[content.camille]

Originally Posted by Kevin

He posted some profoundly racist memes which were immediately removed. I don't think any of us looks at a post and asks whether it is antagonizing. We look at posts as to whether there's a personal attack or an attack on an argument.

Again...if anyone else had been profoundly racist, how would they have been treated? Why were racial attacks even allowed?

[Kevin]

I wish we had more tools at our disposal. I really do. We choose between permabans which even we cannot reverse and deletion of all of the user's content or nothing. Those are the two options we have.

I think we've all been second-guessing ourselves as to whether the meme was intended to be racist or whether the poster thought those things were legitimately funny, had utilized them in their bubble many times and never been called out.

Do we want to have dialog and try to get folks to understand the impact of their behavior or do we just cancel them?

[Kevin]

His other racist antics were deleted. It's a chickenshit abuse of power in my book to delete something and then say my two cents publicly. The content was deleted. You also don't know what was sent via PM.

This is an excerpt from a PM I sent him on 10-2.

And I didn't see it, but apparently you posted a racist meme about probable VP Harris. If I had seen you post a racist meme, I'd have banned you on the spot.

So 25 posts in, let's not tell the mods how to do something we've been doing for years.

[content.camille]

Originally Posted by Kevin

His other racist antics were deleted. It's a chickenshit abuse of power in my book to delete something and then say my two cents publicly. The content was deleted. You also don't know what was sent via PM.

This is an excerpt from a PM I sent him on 10-2.



So 25 posts in, let's not tell the mods how to do something we've been doing for years.

This may come as a shock but you can do something for years and not be very good at it.

[carnation]

Originally Posted by Kevin

His other racist antics were deleted. It's a chickenshit abuse of power in my book to delete something and then say my two cents publicly. The content was deleted. You also don't know what was sent via PM.

So 25 posts in, let's not tell the mods how to do something we've been doing for years.

I've got to say that this is true. Often, mods don't see everything that was posted (I never saw the racist memes). If a mod has to delete a lot of crap, other mods and supermods may never see it and blame rains down on the head of the mod who saw everything go down. Often, pms have been exchanged and I've rarely seen a moderator share them.

Other times, multiple moderators might be removing ugliness and neither sees the whole mess. You can not know unless you're been there.

[Titchou]

Someone needs to put the brakes on this train wreck