Expelled and haven't returned - Page 3

DeltaSigStan · #31 06-25-2002, 12:31 AM

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Originally posted by shultzz

What is USFC?

USFC at SDSU is United Sorority Fraternity Council. It's the council that regulates all the Asian, Latin and Multicultural Greeks.

And yes, Lambda Chi Alpha is interested in recolonizing at San Diego State. Their Alumni own the house that they were in when they were expelled. It's the one that Phi Psi was in for the longest time, and the one that Sigma Pi will be moving into in the fall. I still don't know what LXA was expelled for in the first place.

dzrose93 · #32 06-25-2002, 12:47 AM

SigK_Bama,

I know that you probably didn't mean this rudely, but I really would appreciate it if you would edit your post concerning the Delta Zeta comment. It doesn't seem as if you know for certain if that's what really happened and this type of story can be detrimental to a GLO's reputation. Rumors always seem to get out of hand with comments that start with "the story goes...". Anyway, just wanted to mention that. (I would have PM'd this to you, but the feature wasn't offered on your post. Sorry!)

To everyone: If you aren't sure why a group left your campus, please don't post your own opinion as to why you think it left, or post unconfirmed rumors that have come down the campus grapevine. It will prevent hurt feelings and, also, help to keep stories straight. Thanks!

lenoxxx · #33 06-25-2002, 04:50 PM

The "rumour" that I had head from a bunch of our alumni in the LCA world was that the chapter at SDSU was huge into drugs.

Now I dont know personally if that is true, but what the hell, they arent there now anyway! And that is back from like 1993 or so.

Odd, Sigma Pi is moving into the LCA owned house at Colorado State as well....

Keep us posted on the LCA part of Greek Chat about our Zeta Pi chapter DSS!

Lenoxxx

OnePlus69Is70 · #34 06-25-2002, 05:25 PM

UMass Amherst:
TKE closed in the 80's? from low membership
PKA was closed by the school 3 years ago in the midst of a scandal involving a rape in their house. (The rapist wasn't a brother, but it happened in the middle of a party.)
Delta Chi was closed by their national after the town caught them essentially running an illegal bar in their basement.
Phi Mu Delta was just closed by their national- low membership, financial problems, and just stupid behavior- I know there was a fair degree of cocaine usage in the house.
Theta Chi just recolonized, their third try. The last one was in 1994?, and the colony was closed within six months for hazing. Good luck to the new set, I say, but I'm afraid of bad karma overtaking them.
SAE closed in the 50's, recolonized, and closed again in the early 80's, both times from low membership.
I'm giving ten to one odds that Delta Sig will close next year- too bad, too, they're nice guys, but they haven't been recruiting well, and they've gotten so low they can't afford a house next year. The chapter is only five or six years old, too.
Alpha Sig closed in the 50's, from low membership. Same with Kappa Alpha Theta- their house is the new career center, way too bad, it's an awesome building.
Sigma Sigma Sigma closed a few years ago from low membership, but there's a rumor that they're going to colonize next year or the year after. Good thing too, we don't have enough sororities- 15 men's groups and 8 women's groups is way too one sided.

Honestly, I think a good thrashing out of who's closed where and why is a good thing- because it scares the living crap out of undergrads. It's always one of two things- low membership (usually resulting from apathy), or a really horrific event.

I will balance my horror stories with the good side- our SigEp chapter has been here forever, in the same house, and is incredibly strong. (And I HATE them for it- Woody Allen put it so well- "Every time a friend succeeds, I die a little.") Phi Sigma Kappa's Alpha chapter is still on campus, in the house they've been in as long as anyone can remember. Alpha Tau Gamma, a local, has been there more than a hundred years continuously, and our local sorority, Iota Gamma Upsilon, just celebrated 40. AEPi and Sammy are strong, we have a new colony of Sigma Tau Gamma. Oh, and naturally, Omega Delta kicks much a**- goota cheer for the home team.

And you know what all the good, surviving chapters have? Good alumni, well-kept facilities, and undergrads who know exactly how thin the line between open and closed is for a GLO these days. There, that's my rant.

TKEmz894 · #35 06-25-2002, 05:36 PM

In response to the colony boy from Sigma Nu.....You need to get your facts straight! The TKEs at UCO where kicked off for grades, Not "pretty bad stuff" That was 3 years ago they turned themselves around the next year and had the highest grades of any Fraternity on your campus. They also have been invited to come back into IFC numerous times but they refuse because they would rather govern themselves.....The reason I know this is because I stop by there on my way to and from College. So keep TKE off youre little postings!

lenoxxx · #36 06-25-2002, 08:02 PM

Wow- do I sense a rumble in the south?

Lenoxxx

lenoxxx · #37 06-25-2002, 08:14 PM

Sig Tau-Booted in 91, back in 93, booted in 95, back in 1997, booted in 1999- now still exists "underground"

Kappa Sigma- shut down in 1999- used to be coolest fraternity at college- non existant now.

Theta Chi- Booted in 1990- exists with a few guys, went nuts over other de pledge kids from another frat that started an illegal theta chi colony with the help of another legitimate Theta Chi chapter- imagine that, like two clones fighting. Theta Chi's HQ didnt seem too happy with that

Acacia- supposedly thrown off campus this spring 2002, has the largest house at the college, still there, status unknown

Phi Sigma Kappa- thrown out in 2000, recolonized as Phi Sigma Phi in 2001 with same guys from 2000

TKE- thrown off campus in 1991- never went away at all, probably will get back on campus this fall, which is funny because it kind of renders any permanent ruling against you from the college null and void if you can make the college cry "uncle!" after 11 years.

Chi Gamma Iota- Local thrown off campus, member involved with execution style murder of another student ( as seen on CNN), chapter lost their house and of course is still there in a much more limited fashion- to the dismay of the Deans.

There is the roll call of the Shippensburg "used to be on campus" greeks. Im sure some will be returning in the near future. Stay Tuned Kiddies!

Lenoxxx

MoxieGrrl · #38 06-25-2002, 10:29 PM

SAE left Bethany College in the early 80's...

Delta Tau Delta left for I believe around 70 years...then they came back and they're really strong now.....do any Delts out there know why they are called "Theta Founding chapter" instead of "Alpha"? Someone told me before but I don't recall....does it have anything to do with them leaving campus?

And Kappa Delta (God rest it's soul

) left in 2002 due to low numbers

SoExited@FSU · #39 06-25-2002, 11:39 PM

IIKA was kicked off for 12 years, after '88- Now they're Fraternity of the year and biggest on campus. SAE is gone, as is Sigma Sigma Sigma sorority. Sigma Pi is gone, too- and I think something is up with TKE,like maybe they're not a full-fledged CH, or just became one again? We also used to have Theta Chi, way back when...

OnePlus69Is70 · #40 06-26-2002, 09:14 AM

Hey FSU, where are you from? I can think of like four different FSU's.

Kevin · #41 06-26-2002, 12:25 PM

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In response to the colony boy from Sigma Nu.....You need to get your facts straight! The TKEs at UCO where kicked off for grades, Not "pretty bad stuff" That was 3 years ago they turned themselves around the next year and had the highest grades of any Fraternity on your campus

Actually, "colony boy" is not a colony member... I'm a founding father of my chapter. Mu Tau, the 272nd chapter of Sigma Nu International Fraternity Get your facts straight.

I didn't say whether I agreed or disagreed with what happened. Just stated that it happened. And if you have any ACTUAL knowledge of this chapter grades (1.8 I think) were not the ONLY thing factored in here. We have a dry campus and... I'll leave the rest up to everyone's imagination. We actually had a colony member leave us so he could go "drink in his own house"... Good riddance... He actually showed up a few months later asking to come back...

I could give you a list of things they've done since that would have warranted them not staying on campus... But I won't. I have respect for TKE as a whole and think this chapter doesn't do much for the good name of your international organization.

I didn't set out to malign your organization, just present what I know. This is a mature discussion and name calling like "colony boy" is a little bit immature, don't you think?

ZZ-kai- · #42 06-26-2002, 12:25 PM

I have had many discussions with Beta representatives, including our Director of Expansion, and the response I have gotten in regards to Beta's expansion, is that we are trying to get back to schools in which we were at, rather than massively expanding to any ordinary school under the sun, like you have seen in some of the late 1800 and early 1900 fraternities. Hence, I believe that is why they may be spending some resources to get back to SDSU, similar to our 3 re-orgs at our Alpha Chapter (Miami Univ., Oxford, OH - 1839) in the past 7 years. Now, with the proper reorganization with many many man hours and resources, they have basically stormed that campus.

Lastly, TKEmz894, I understand your love for TKE, but TKE is not the only fraternity out there, so if someone happens to say TKE in their posting, relax a bit.

Also, does anyone know how a fraternity can continue to exist at a University without the recognition of the University, without being considered 'underground'? Makes no sense to me that if the Univ. doesn't want you there, how the HQ continues to let them live. Support is one thing, ignoring the Univ. is another.

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Originally posted by TKEmz894
In response to the colony boy from Sigma Nu.....You need to get your facts straight! The TKEs at UCO where kicked off for grades, Not "pretty bad stuff" That was 3 years ago they turned themselves around the next year and had the highest grades of any Fraternity on your campus. They also have been invited to come back into IFC numerous times but they refuse because they would rather govern themselves.....The reason I know this is because I stop by there on my way to and from College. So keep TKE off youre little postings!

OnePlus69Is70 · #43 06-26-2002, 12:37 PM

It's very easy for a fraternity to exist without school support. Take Amherst College. Greeks are supposedly "banned", but there's actually a very strong underground Greek system- 4 or 5 chapters with about 45 members each, about 10% of the school. A few members in each chapter rent an off-campus house together, and that's that. Now, if they ever got caught wearing letters or openly recruiting, they'd get expelled (the College is quite serious about that), but as long as they keep things quiet, and recruit in secret, they're fine. All their groups are national, too- Chi Psi is the only one I can think of by name right now, though.

At UMass, PKA is still there, underground, about 25 of them I suspect, though it's hard to tell sometimes. Phi Mu has renamed themselves $ (who knew Prince would start a trend?) and are living down the street from us next year, I think. Sometimes it's a little hard to tell the underground Greeks apart from just normal tenants, until they get drunk and forget themselves and the old letters come out.

Not only do you have underground groups, there are whole campuses that are in the middle- they don't officially recognize their Greeks, but also don't persecute them- they just ignore them completely and let them do what they like. Colorado is like that to a degree, I believe- anyone from Boulder out there who can help me out on that?

ZZ-kai- · #44 06-26-2002, 01:13 PM

Yeah, I can see how 'underground' can work, but I still have a difficult time thinking that if the school says, "Your fraternity/sorority is now kicked off campus by us, and is not recognized at all, and is completely unaffiliated to us", that they HQ says, "Yeah, alright, but we will still keep them as an active chapter, and count them in our ranks". Most HQ would yank a charter if the Univ. gets rid of the chapter.

Being underground generally means that a chapter has went defunct, and without recognition by the HQ or the Univ., they continue to recruit secretly and pass on the same rituals as they were taught.....but, as I mentioned, that is generally done without the support of the Univ. and HQ.

AOX81 · #45 06-26-2002, 01:28 PM

Tau Kappa Epsilon was kicked off our campus in the early 90's...I'm not going to go into details.