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06-14-2002, 11:37 PM
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I'm proud to be a citizen of the United States, and I stand, put my hand over my heart and say the pledge of allegience. For all the people who don't like this country and what it stands for, please remember this one of the few places you can say you hate your country and have other people DIE TO PROTECT YOUR RIGHT TO SAY IT.
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06-15-2002, 03:43 PM
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My take on it
I say the pledge at times (but this is rare), but at other times I don't. I guess this is b/c I recognize both sides ofthe situation, as you all have presented. Esp. after 9/11, I think what the flag and the pledge of allegiance stands for is HIGHLY CONTRADICTORY and HIPOCRITICAL. Yet I also know that I wouldn't live the life I am able to in any other country in this world, and that many of my ancestors died in the struggle to afford me this privilege. This is why I guess I usually stand and acknowledge the pledge, and will place my hand on my heart, but usually not recite it.
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06-15-2002, 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by Jody
I'm proud to be a citizen of the United States, and I stand, put my hand over my heart and say the pledge of allegience. For all the people who don't like this country and what it stands for, please remember this one of the few places you can say you hate your country and have other people DIE TO PROTECT YOUR RIGHT TO SAY IT.
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Do you believe that the words of the pledge ring true? Literally?
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06-17-2002, 02:02 PM
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I don't recite the pledge of allegiance nor do I put my hand over my heart. I do stand up though.
I don't believe in the pledge of allegiance therefore I do not say it. To me, the words are just words. They sound great on paper but things don't really work out like that in the real world. I also have a problem with pledging my allegiance to anyone or anything who wouldn't do the same for me. I pledge my allegiance not to a flag, not to a country, but to my family, my friends, and all of the beliefs and causes that I hold dear.
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06-26-2002, 02:53 PM
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Breaking pledge news
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U.S. National
Pledge Declared Unconstitutional
Wed Jun 26, 2:36 PM ET
By DAVID KRAVETS, Associated Press Writer
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - A federal appeals court ruled Wednesday that the Pledge of Allegiance is an unconstitutional endorsement of religion and cannot be recited in schools.
The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ( news - web sites) overturned a 1954 act of Congress inserting the phrase "under God" after the words "one nation" in the pledge. The court said the phrase violates the so-called Establishment Clause in the Constitution that requires a separation of church and state.
"A profession that we are a nation `under God' is identical, for Establishment Clause purposes, to a profession that we are a nation `under Jesus,' a nation `under Vishnu,' a nation `under Zeus,' or a nation `under no god,' because none of these professions can be neutral with respect to religion," Judge Alfred T. Goodwin wrote for the three-judge panel.
The court, in the nation's first ruling of its kind, said that when President Eisenhower signed the 1954 legislation, he wrote that "millions of our schoolchildren will daily proclaim in every city and town, every village and rural schoolhouse, the dedication of our nation and our people to the Almighty."
The court noted that the U.S. Supreme Court ( news - web sites) has said students cannot hold religious invocations at graduations and cannot be compelled to recite the pledge. But when the pledge is recited in a classroom, a student who objects is confronted with an "unacceptable choice between participating and protesting," the appeals court said.
"Although students cannot be forced to participate in recitation of the pledge, the school district is nonetheless conveying a message of state endorsement of a religious belief when it requires public school teachers to recite, and lead the recitation of, the current form of the pledge," the court said.
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06-26-2002, 06:32 PM
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WTH??
The ruling doesn't surprise me. 
We need to put God in everything we do,say,think..
So what are we supposed to say now?
One nation
... under the cherry moon
...undercover
...under the boardwalk
...undercover brother
...underoos
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06-26-2002, 07:42 PM
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What about our currency.. are we gonna need new bills and coins as well?
Seems like the US Supreme Court will overturn it, who wants to be the judge that goes against GOD?
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06-26-2002, 07:48 PM
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Re: WTH??
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Originally posted by Sexy Mocha
The ruling doesn't surprise me. 
We need to put God in everything we do,say,think..
So what are we supposed to say now?
One nation
... under the cherry moon
...undercover
...under the boardwalk
...undercover brother
...underoos
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OMGOODNESS!!!!! This is pure comdey!!!
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06-27-2002, 10:17 AM
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Originally posted by straightBOS
What about our currency.. are we gonna need new bills and coins as well?
Seems like the US Supreme Court will overturn it, who wants to be the judge that goes against GOD?
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I too would like to know the same thing. I believe some of these government people get a little beside themselves.
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06-27-2002, 11:16 AM
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How about one nation under a groove?
I am actually surprised that someone hasn't challenged this a long time ago, especially when the whole issue of saying prayers in school was getting so much attention.
There was a time when I did not recite the pledge because I thought that it hypocritical. But since 9-11, my views on a few things have changed. Although what we recite in the pledge may never fully come true, I believe that it is something that all of us who are Americans or residing in America should strive for and the only way that that is going to happen is if we all fight for it as a nation.
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06-27-2002, 11:39 AM
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First they take out PRAYER...now PRIDE. That's some dang BS.
...Another reason why my children are in a private christian school!
StraightBOS - I bet you're right....currency will be next...since it says "In God We Trust".
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06-27-2002, 11:45 AM
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"One Nation Under A groove" ....Good one!
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