Quota? - Page 3

LeslieAGD · #1 05-07-2002, 03:32 PM

KappaStarGirl...good comparison!

LexiKD · #2 05-07-2002, 03:57 PM

Fuzzie: On my campus if a chapter did poorly they really hit COB or an informal recruitment. We all pretty much hover over total until seniors graduate and we have to fill spots.

How did your totals get so varied?

FuzzieAlum · #3 05-07-2002, 05:21 PM

We held COB, too. What would happen was that during reading days (at the end of the year between classes and exams), the chapters could give bids to replace anyone who was graduating (or transferring). So let's say Chapter A has 55 girls, but 15 are graduating, they can give 15 bids out during that time. They then pledge in the fall along with the formal rush class. Same thing with chapter B.

Chapter A and B would get quota every time and stay huge. Chapter C would get slightly under quota, but would fill up to ceiling (50) through COB.

Chapters D and E would get only a few girls if any through formal. They'd get a few through COB, but not enough to bring them up to ceiling. Girls who skipped formal rush knew they didn't have to accept bids from D or E; they could wait until the end of the year and get a bid from A, B, or C. Generally speaking (and this is a huge and not always true generalization I realize), the "most desirable" candidates went to A and B; C got their pick of the rest and a few of the best; and D and E got girls who "didn't like the sorority thing" or girls who couldn't get bids elsewhere.

FuzzieAlum · #4 05-07-2002, 05:23 PM

One argument people made was that perhaps five chapters were too much for our campus (one has closed). However, only a small percentage, about 15 percent, of the women are Greek, whereas a much larger percentage of men were Greek, so surely there were women out there who could be attracted to Greek life.

hoosier · #5 05-07-2002, 06:56 PM

TO: QUOTE: "Colleges, then, restrict their sales. They can't take everyone who applies, or even everyone they want."

I therefore assume that you are not a business major.

If a college restricts their sales, it is their CHOICE.

QUOTA restricts sales, and quota is forced on the chapters by rules, sometimes made by the Panhel Council or by the school's dean, and enforced by them.

No outside rule maker forces the college to restrict sales, and they can accept as many freshmen/transfers as they can build/rent/buy classrooms and dorms to teach and house them.

Sorority rules are usually made by the handful of top sororities (look at the officers of your Panhel Council) and enforced by them. Quota helps keep them large and powerful, and also keeps the lesser chapter small and weak.

I call upon the small and weak to unite, and throw out the bums (and their quotas).

carnation · #6 05-07-2002, 07:05 PM

Most of the rules are made by the National Panhellenic Council, not the local ones. They aren't likely to change the rush rules because all of us have our fabulous chapters and our weak ones and it all evens out for the most part. There are very few national sororities that have mostly weak chapters...therefore, to change rules to actually benefit the smaller chapters at the expense of the larger ones could hurt more sororities than it could help.

Besides, if you try to force large numbers of PNMs into chapters they definitely don't want to be in (or even small numbers), all you end up with are loads of anti-Greeks.

theta sig agd · #7 05-07-2002, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hoosier
TO: QUOTE: "Colleges, then, restrict their sales. They can't take everyone who applies, or even everyone they want."

I therefore assume that you are not a business major.

If a college restricts their sales, it is their CHOICE.

QUOTA restricts sales, and quota is forced on the chapters by rules, sometimes made by the Panhel Council or by the school's dean, and enforced by them.

No outside rule maker forces the college to restrict sales, and they can accept as many freshmen/transfers as they can build/rent/buy classrooms and dorms to teach and house them.

Sorority rules are usually made by the handful of top sororities (look at the officers of your Panhel Council) and enforced by them. Quota helps keep them large and powerful, and also keeps the lesser chapter small and weak.

I call upon the small and weak to unite, and throw out the bums (and their quotas).

You are obviously not an economics major. It is bad business to have no roof on membership. Besides most women's fraternities are not trying to make money and cannot afford to have an endless number of members coming in at one time. Too many members coming in, means more money needed to run the chapter, which is stressful on non-profit orgs. We are not businesses so capitalistic views dont apply.

I feel quota is a good thing, something needs to be in place to regulate and make sure things are fair or as fair as possible for everyone involved. Mismatching does happen but I think that is more a computer or rush problem????

Thanks!!

33girl · #8 05-07-2002, 09:33 PM

The quota/total system can work very well, IF USED AS WRITTEN and if totals are kept at realistic levels, but when one or both of these are not followed the whole thing can turn into a giant clusterf#*k.

And as far as how many schools' Panhel council (and National Panhel) is run, who is an officer has nothing to do with the "top" sorority - offices are rotated through seniority & the alphabet.

hoosier, as we have reiterated over and over, Indiana U (if you really are from there) IS NOT a typical school as far as their handling of Q/T, so please don't judge or condemn the whole system based on what they do. I'm guessing you haven't pulled your head out of your ass far enough to see how it works at other schools.

xp2k · #9 05-07-2002, 10:09 PM

Not to defend Hoosier at all...

GLO's are not businesses, but housing corporations are so sometimes, when you have a large beautiful structure, you have to pay the $$$ to keep it operating.

You are right 33girl, Indiana University is not like most greek systems at all. Sometimes, I dont know if that's good or bad?!?

Also, I dont know anything about who makes the rules for sororities. At IU, the stronger, more popular houses do tend to have a majority of seats on PanHel exec. This could be because they recruit the girls who are willing to step up and run for leadership positions. If you dont like the way things are being run, be pro-active about it!

I personally think quota is a good thing. As discussed on the "chapter size" forum (which I have posted in several times), sometimes enough is enough.

Also, I think quota HELPS the smaller (at least at IU) houses. If it werent for quota, the bigger "stronger" houses probably WOULD get most of the girls.

just my humble opinions again...

XP2k

FuzzieAlum · #10 05-08-2002, 12:25 PM

33girl, I agree with almost everything you said, but lots of campuses don't use alphabet and rotation for Panhel offices. At my campus, for example, you just ran for office. And Panhel DID end up being run by the big chapters, because they were the ones who had girls to spare for offices! Of course, when it came time to vote on something, each chapter had one vote, but since there are generally more large than small chapters on a campus, the small chapters were always outvoted.

LexiKD · #11 05-08-2002, 12:52 PM

Fuzzie: it sounds that your campus is too populated with groups.

Our PH was on an election basis an yes it was fair, the women with the most experiece usually got the top jobs and so on.

I was on PH for 4 years and loved it. We really had a system that worked and our numbers were all pretty equal. But not having extra members to run for things is exactly why quotas work when applied corretly. If the chapters could keep total then they all the same oppurtunites...and smaller houses would be a thing of the past.

33girl · #12 05-08-2002, 01:06 PM

I don't think it's so much the campus being too populated w/ groups as total being set too high. If the system goes into a "valley" total should be lowered. Because valleys are usually followed by peaks, and if you get rid of a group because rush #'s go down, then you have to get another one back when rush #'s go back up, which is a pain in the ass and could be avoided if total had realistically reflected campus interest to begin with.

Not only that, depending on the personalities of the groups, assuming "if we get rid of one, the PNM's who would have gone there will go elsewhere" isn't always true.

LexiKD · #13 05-08-2002, 01:09 PM

I don't think closing a chapter would work. Maybe lowering total would help for a few years, if that could happen with finace issues still being covered.

Why can the smaller groups not COB/informal recruit to total? I am missing something.....are there restrictions on when you can take new members after formal?

hoosier · #14 05-08-2002, 01:21 PM

Now this is deteriorating into an "if we do not help the little chapters, they will die ..." discussion.

Assuming that the much-beloved "quota" always produces a few big chapters (always meet quota) and a few weaney chapters (can't get quota - girls don't pledge, rather than pledge the weaney chapters). (Later I will look up how to spell weaney-weiney-weeny)

I say, let these weaneys struggle if they wish or die.

AND let the girls who don't want to join a weaney, start a new local sorority. After they exist for a while, let them interview a few nationals/nearby chapters, and then affiliate with a national.

A new chapter - not stuck with the weaney label, can probably succeed.

If there are enough girls who don't pledge to start two locals, go for it.

PS: I don't know how they do it at Indiana now.

LexiKD · #15 05-08-2002, 01:29 PM

Hoosier: I see what you are saying, but quota doesn't matter...only in formal recruiment. My question is a push to COB up to at least quota(the amount you can take in a PC in formal), total if you have room left. Does that not happen, do you mean there are no PNMs to find outside of formal recruitment?

I am confused...can you tell?