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Old 02-03-2002, 11:49 AM
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I don't want their support. Dartreview sucks.
Agreed - seems like my only contact with the Dartreview is when they spout out meaningless tripe about the greek system. To hell with that . . .
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Old 02-03-2002, 12:30 PM
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Old 02-03-2002, 03:33 PM
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Here is the latest in the Dartmouth columns regarding greeks......
HANOVER, N.H. -- The best thing about being white at Dartmouth College is that you don't have to think about it. Well, maybe that's changing. We have gently scratched the surface of understanding what it means to be part of white society. Going any deeper may hurt a little, but I've always believed in that little cliché about pain. So let's look at some hard facts.

Dartmouth, like many similar institutions, has made a real buzzword out of "diversity" lately. There's been talk of writing it into a new mission statement and there's been a World Cultures Initiative, but as admirable as these efforts have been, I feel we're missing the opportunity to learn from diversity where its potential is greatest. The College expends a tremendous amount of effort to draw and put together a diverse student body. Are we really making use of our diversity, interacting with and learning from people of different backgrounds, or does it say enough that Dartmouth has its own cliché about racial division? You know -- the one about every race having its own table in Food Court.

It's too easy to shift the blame off on minority groups for "self-segregating" (a third cliché), as if they are, in that act, deciding to let differences divide them from mainstream culture. There's nothing wrong with the fact that we tend to congregate with those who are similar to us. There is, however, something wrong with the presumption that only minorities let race affect their social culture, that "mainstream" culture has nothing to do with race.

Mainstream culture has a whole heck of a lot to do with race, and with the "whiteness" that many of us have been discussing over the past week. Nowhere is this more obvious than in our greek system. Looking at the numbers, white dominance of the greek system is in staggering disproportion to the percentage of whites on campus. These numbers, however don't even begin to tell what percentage of greek membership excluding the historically minority-affiliated houses is white. But what do the numbers mean? Certainly not that half of this campus is racist. It's more complicated than that.

The culture of any greek house is, intentionally, self-perpetuating, very slow to change and contingent upon the exclusion of those who don't quite "belong" or "fit in." Lots of factors contribute to the social identity of a house. Take athletics, for example. Many fraternities are known as being largely composed of members of certain teams. That doesn't mean that every member of a given house is on the corresponding team, but it helps to characterize that house. Anyone who rushes the bobsledding house has to be comfortable spending a lot of time with bobsledders and their shared identity.

Is race a comparable factor? We know that minority-affiliated houses are aware of and open about their appeal to their specific minority cultures, but can it be said that mostly white houses project a white cultural identity? As many of us started to discover at last week's Community Hour and as I wrote in Tuesday's issue of The Dartmouth (Dan Rothfarb, "The Importance of Being White"), we cannot presume that we are "normal" people who are not affected by race or who are a default group, lacking race. So does "whiteness" figure into the identity of exclusive social groups? You bet your bobsled it does. And what's most surprising is that the members of these groups have perpetuated white identity without even realizing it existed.

How is that possible? We've already seen how "whiteness" goes unnoticed and understood only as the norm. Greek houses depend upon obscure, subjective norms as ways of defining themselves. While skin color is not likely to be a norm taken into consideration, culturally influenced characteristics such as personality and interests weigh heavily into the equation. This fact cannot be denied by any organization whose membership is subjectively determined, exclusive and lacking any clear definition of what its members should be. (Groups based on service or campus leadership, for example, are somewhat different in that they have a less than arbitrary definition)

Furthermore, if the character of an exclusive organization is so dependent upon culture, members of different cultures may not feel comfortable rushing a house whose identity is so disparate from their own. Not all members of a certain race will feel this way, but one who doesn't feel sufficiently assimilated into white culture will probably not want to be part of a group that is based on sharing culture that he or she does not feel part of. The possibility of diversity is, in many cases, limited before the selection process begins. And the problem is not solved by the introduction of minority houses, which serve a good purpose as long as the other houses exist, but neither changes the social division on campus nor matches the privilege inherent in white male domination of student-controlled social space.

Every house, every pledge class, every member of the greek system is different and no one is singularly accountable for the way things are. I have no solution for the problems I see in the greek system without calling for its eventual end; for the meantime I can only suggest that we take some long, hard, personal looks into what brings us together and what can bring us together in the breadth of our diversity to stand together as the sons and daughters of old Dartmouth.
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Old 02-03-2002, 04:58 PM
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Wow, you know most human interactions, maybe all, can be likened to a game. We create rules of behavior and social structure to in order to make the world more knowable and manipulate people's actions.

And I'm fine with that. I approve of manipulating the masses. it means I'll be richer later as I capitalize on the lack of thinking ability of my fellow man. The thought leaves me warm and tingly on the inside.

However, a sign of maturity is understanding that it IS a game with variable rules, shifting positions, and lot of spin as people try to sell you on behavioral patterns that coincide with their world views and comfort zones.

PC, and multiculturism are just new faces on these very old systems. Multiculturism when it first came out was actually supposed to be a way of increasing interface ability. IT acknowledged that different cultural backgrounds often reflected different learning styles. So the idea was to teach to the culture the same body of knowledge as mainstream education has always tried to teach. However, it has since become a political movement with a lot of Spin on it and its almost defensive in nature. ITs come to mean that different cultures shouldn't be expected to learn certain bodies of knowledge.

Anyway, this guy doesn't seem to understand that point. He is trying to make an argument that certain institutions are inherently wrong and don't even know they are wrong. When honestly, most of these institutions just really exist any valu ejudgment placed on them is in the perception of their perceivers.

In his case he seems to be offended by the idea of greek ORganizations . . . And comes up with lucid arguments to try to spread the offense to other people that haven't form a strong opinion one way or another.

Life must be a litle bitter for him.
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Old 02-03-2002, 10:35 PM
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2nd, I just want to say its very rude to bitch at the girls on this website just because they are greek. They cant help what happened, and by you coming on here the way you did you certainly arent helping. Maybe what happened wasnt fair, but alot of things in life arent, one of them being the girls on this site being bashed by you. I would hope that in the future you could find more mature ways to get your point across....
I just wanted to clarify since I think you might have misunderstood...no one was bitching at anyone. LXA Alum just pasted the article on here from The Dartmouth's site. No one posting on here is the one who wrote it. If the chickie-babe who wrote it DID come on here and try to bitch at us, she'd probably end up running away screaming.
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Old 02-03-2002, 11:50 PM
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blah, blah, blah, same leftist crap we always get just repackaged. BTW, ya got some granola on your flannel shirt.
My sentiments exactly! There are people that are so anti-establishment, it's laughable. I had a girl completely degrading me under her breath and basically trash talking about me and my girls behind us in a lecture when she assumed we were in a sorority. I was absolutely shocked. The audacity of this girl! After spending way too much time defending the greek system in an honorable fashion, I was exhausted. I just breathed heavily to my girls "sad when people are so bitter about not getting a bid." Yes, a low blow, a catty remark. But she shut up after that.

It took me quite some time to realize that I could not be the sole defender of all that's Greek, so you just have to be so satisfied with yourself and confident in the values and benefits of your chapter that ignorant, assinine comments roll of your back.
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Old 02-04-2002, 09:38 AM
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Agreed - seems like my only contact with the Dartreview is when they spout out meaningless tripe about the greek system. To hell with that . . .
I don't like any support from an organization that
(a) stereotype - which they did with their editorial on who is the enemy. They are doing exactly the same thing that they are accusing the left of doing, stereotyping. See http://www.dartreview.com/issues/1.21.02/edit.html

(b) they have a sense of self-righteousnoss that I haven't seen since the so called moral majority bs with contract with america. I'm for smaller government, that mean government out of women's body and bedroom. Not the so caled moral majority government of less on welfare, but more legilation telling me who i can sleep with or if my girlfriend want to abort her baby.

They thing they are conservative, but in reality, they are as radical as your so called left.
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Old 02-04-2002, 05:14 PM
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Sure Glad I did not attend Dartmouthy College!

These people sound like their self importance is underwhelming to me!

" I am me and can only be as no other can, nor can I be as another"

God what a Great quote, Glad I said that! Does anyone understand it?
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