Transgender women in sorority life?

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by AlwaysSAI

So, here's a question (posed to everyone, not just AGDee). What about an initiated sister (born female) who transitions to male post initiation?

This is a great question for NPHC orgs since we can, and do, initiate at the undergrad and graduate levels. I don't know if my org, SGR, has a policy on this - I need to look it up.


Back to the OT:

From a NPHC perspective, I think this would be less of an issue if the transgendered person was initiated at the graduate level.

I think NPHC undergrad chapters might not be so willing to want to initiate a transgendered person. Campus reputation is very powerful. Even in NPHC, no undergrad chapter wants to known as thatchapter.

[AnchorAlumna]

Well.
That was fun!

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by AnchorAlumna

Well.
That was fun!

That's because it was a quick read. We had original post, heated discussion, and flounce all within three pages. In the old days of GC this would have gone on for 15 - 20 pages.

[ggforever]

I am not saying there are no transgenders in houses, but on campuses with BIG greek systems, recommendations are mandatory to get into a house. There would probably be some indication on the rec as activities and probably to gender re-assignment surgery. I am also skeptical about this post as I cannot imagine an 18 year old would have already completed the needed surgeries.

[Nanners52674]

Look I'm about as liberal as it comes especially on gay rights and Transgender etc...

I see a sorority saying no to a Transgender person not because she's Transgender but because according to the school and legally speaking they are still a man. I wouldn't expect a college women's sports team to have a Transgender male to female athlete.

There are some things in life where your gender matters, and this situation is one of them.

It's not just sororities grappling with these issues. Colleges still haven't figure out how to handle it in terms of housing and bathrooms. There was a big story out of Smith earlier this year about admitting a Trans student.

[AOII Angel]

AGDee is right. Our hands are tied. Future generations of transgender kids that are accepted at an early age and are allowed to change their birth certificates will probably get to join the group of their choice. Time will tell. I agree there are transgender sisters in the NPC as we speak, but they are F to M and joined a sorority.

[amIblue?]

On a related point, would a physician be willing to perform gender reassignment surgery on a minor? Obviously, parental permission would be a requirement (just as it would be for any medical procedure), so I'm just wondering what the ethical implications are in performing such a significant procedure on an individual who is still growing and maturing. Some of the trans people that I'm friends with don't want to fully transition (for various reasons). What might sound great to a 15 year old may not sound good for a 25 year old. Or it might still continue to sound good 10 years later, and a decade has been lost living with the wrong biological sex.

[Dnpgopenguins]

Originally Posted by amIblue?

On a related point, would a physician be willing to perform gender reassignment surgery on a minor? Obviously, parental permission would be a requirement (just as it would be for any medical procedure), so I'm just wondering what the ethical implications are in performing such a significant procedure on an individual who is still growing and maturing. Some of the trans people that I'm friends with don't want to fully transition (for various reasons). What might sound great to a 15 year old may not sound good for a 25 year old. Or it might still continue to sound good 10 years later, and a decade has been lost living with the wrong biological sex.

I read a paper on reassignment surgery for kids age 9ish. I guess doctors think it is easier at a young age. I think that is horrible, because of the implication. Like if parents wanted a boy but had girls, oh we will just take her to the doctors at age 9 and then we will have a boy. I am not sure what the procedures are in place, but I just think that is way too you.

[anna7363]

I was talking about my 14 year old biological sister. I'm sorry I thought that was implied by the age

[AZTheta]

Originally Posted by anna7363

I was talking about my 14 year old biological sister. I'm sorry I thought that was implied by the age

Your first post was about informal recruitment of a transgender. Not clear as to whether this was a hypothetical situation or something real. Later you discussed your sister.

I'm a little puzzled and baffled as to where this is going. As it stands now, this is an issue yet to be decided or resolved.

ETA: Each sorority has its own rules regarding membership selection. We abide by those rules.

[amIblue?]

Originally Posted by anna7363

I was talking about my 14 year old biological sister. I'm sorry I thought that was implied by the age

We are now discussing the larger issue as a whole than your specific issue(s?).

Many of us here are sympathetic to transgendered people. We're not mean alumnae who are out to destroy the hopes of all transgendered PNMs or aspirants. We are interested in preserving our single sex status, and there are legal implications associated with this issue that have to be considered.

[Sororitysock]

Anna isn't a sorority member. She's a trans woman who's bringing a tall tale to this site for some trollish reason. It takes about a minute of research to figure out who she is.

[anna7363]

I'm done with this thread, my original point has clearly been lost on everyone here. And there are people here convinced I'm a liar. To clarify what I meant earlier about my "14 year old sister" for anyone who wants to continue this convo. They are two different people. First you have the girl who rushed for my sorority but I also have a 14 year old biological sister who is transgender. I was expressing how depressing it is that she will never have the same opportunity in life as others. Which is why the situation with the first girl who rushed my sorority hit home so hard with me

[Sororitysock]

Originally Posted by anna7363

I'm done with this thread, my original point has clearly been lost on everyone here. And there are people here convinced I'm a liar. To clarify what I meant earlier about my "14 year old sister" for anyone who wants to continue this convo. They are two different people. First you have the girl who rushed for my sorority but I also have a 14 year old biological sister who is transgender. I was expressing how depressing it is that she will never have the same opportunity in life as others.

The original point is that you completely fabricated this story. You are not a sorority member. None of it it true.

[anna7363]

how am I a fake? You have just said I'm a fraud but you have presented no evidence