Hobby Lobby

[pinksequins]

We have a pretty good idea of how some of the Jsutices will rule. Kennedy is often a swing vote, but I think he will be with Scalia/Thomas. I don't hold much hope for Aiito. Roberts is the Justice to watch.

[Psi U MC Vito]

I'm really interested in the turnout, though I am a bit worried as well. I think it's very dangerous to give corporations the right to exercise religious freedom. For one thing, who's beliefs are being applied? It allows potentially one person to discriminate against who knows how people, because the person with more money obviously has a greater interest in freedom of religion then those without.

[pinksequins]

Psi U -- you nailed a core question: Whose beliefs should be determinative? There is a strong argument that it should be the individuals. The slippery slope can be even more frightening. Will a religiously affiliated hospital be able to refuse to follow a health care directive against heroic measures on religious gounds (tabling for the moment, recent decisions based on state law)? In medical emergencies one doesn't always have the luxury of choose one's hospital.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by pinksequins

Psi U -- you nailed a core question: Whose beliefs should be determinative? There is a strong argument that it should be the individuals. The slippery slope can be even more frightening. Will a religiously affiliated hospital be able to refuse to follow a health care directive against heroic measures on religious gounds (tabling for the moment, recent decisions based on state law)? In medical emergencies one doesn't always have the luxury of choose one's hospital.

This already happens.

[pinksequins]

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[AGDee]

Except morning after pills also prevent ovulation, not just implantation.

[LAblondeGPhi]

Originally Posted by AGDee

Except morning after pills also prevent ovulation, not just implantation.

If I remember the argument correctly, it's that even if a method can prevent implantation of a fertilized egg, they don't want to support it.

Not saying I agree, though.

[AOII Angel]

The evidence shows that they do not prevent implantation just ovulation.

[amIblue?]

I wish I could say that I'm proud that Hobby Lobby has never gotten any money from me and they won't because of their politics.

It's true that I haven't and will not shop there, but it has had in the past most to do with my utter inability to do anything remotely artsy or crafty.

But if I ever discover some heretofore unknown abilities, they certainly won't get any money from me.

[badgeguy]

You know, seems to me from a business sense that companies would be ok to have their female Empoyees taking birth control. Isn't one of the big complaints my many companies is loss of productivity and time from women who are pregnant?

Regardless of religious belief, I was always under the assumption that companies were glad to be able to increase their profits, and if they have employees who aren't gonna go on maternity leave that means that they are getting full productivity from them.

Just a thought....

[irishpipes]

Originally Posted by badgeguy

You know, seems to me from a business sense that companies would be ok to have their female Empoyees taking birth control. Isn't one of the big complaints my many companies is loss of productivity and time from women who are pregnant?

Regardless of religious belief, I was always under the assumption that companies were glad to be able to increase their profits, and if they have employees who aren't gonna go on maturity leave that means that they are getting full productivity from them.

Just a thought....

Hobby Lobby is never open on Sundays, to enable employees to spend that day with their families and to respect Sunday as a day for worship and rest. They willingly give up whatever profit could be earned by staying open.

Please tell me "maturity" was a typo and that you know it is maternity leave!

[DubaiSis]

Not when you think it is your responsibility to control women, since they can't take care of themselves or make the best decisions on their own behalf.

[agzg]

I keep funneling my $$$ into Jo-Ann Fabrics, since I prefer to spend with people who view me as a whole person in myself rather than a potential mother.

[badgeguy]

Yeah, it was an autocorrect.....typing on my phone....thanks

[badgeguy]

Just like chick fil a.....

I think the one day versus a six weeks of essentially paying two people is what one would think businesses would want...

I'm all for choices. Each individual has a choice. Business and government shouldn't interfere with those.