grades and recruitment

[AZTheta]

Me either. Or is it me neither?

[Titchou]

From the NPC MOI section on Recruitment Counselors:

The goals of the recruitment counseling program are to:
• Provide support, friendship and personal guidance to women participating in the recruitment process by women’s
fraternity members who are educated to represent Panhellenic attitudes and ideals.
• Provide objective and impartial counselors.
• Promote an understanding and explanation of the mutual selection process.
• Promote an understanding of the benefits of fraternity affiliation and emphasize the similarities in ideals and goals
of all women’s fraternities.
• Provide encouragement to the potential new members to continue recruitment through the Preference round during
fully structured recruitment and to accept the maximum number of invitations possible during each round of
recruitment.
• Promote membership recruitment retention and pledging by lessening disappointments and disillusionments.

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by IndianaSigKap

As a high school teacher, I can tell you there are often extenuating circumstances, most often medical. The most drastic being, a girl from my area had a brain tumor that caused her to miss a lot of school and not retain a good deal of the information she was taught. Once the tumor was diagnosed and treated, she rebounded but her high school GPA was very low due to the illness and absences. Her doctors from a very well known national hospital all wrote letters detailing her illness and recommending her for college. These letters were sent in with her applications. She is a junior in college and doing well.

Another more common exception is a learning disability that was not diagnosed until well into high school. With academic support, these students can be successful in college after a rough start in high school.

This is a rare case, and trust me.. there are students with poor GPAs who are getting into college who never had any kind of medical issue. Most of the ones I've encountered didn't last long, and ended up dropping out.

Originally Posted by Titchou

The NPC UA#2 is the reason for all this. It states that a college panhellenic cannot restrict a woman from participation in requirements due to her GPA. It is up to each individual group to set their GPA requirement with no interference from PH. While this can cause some women to sign up who will be released at the first opportunity, do we really want the CPH deciding who we can recruit? Sorry, but I don't....

I agree. But as others have said, I don't think it hurts to put the (inter)national minimum GPAs for each sorority out there, and to simply say something along the lines of, "Although these are the minimum GPAs (inter)nationally for each sorority, each chapter may determine that their minimum GPA is even higher than what is listed here."

Originally Posted by Maman

Do Rho Gams work in the best interest of the panhellenic council or the PNM? Please include information to support your answer. What if the Rho Gam is a close friend of the PNM?

This sounds like a formal test question. Just saying.

[WestcoastWonder]

Originally Posted by AXOmom

WestcoastWonder - I don't want to derail this thread too much, but your sister needs to be wary of where her Rho Gam or whoever is giving her all of this information (number of groups not making quota, why girls were dropped, etc,), is getting it. I know a lot of these same rumors/statements (virtually word for word) are on another site that shall remain nameless, and she needs to know that they are just that - gossip and rumors. Her Rho Gam might know how many girls were cut entirely, but she would have no way of knowing why they were cut for sure (she might offer a good guess, but that's all she could do).

True, and I should be wary as well. If you look through my posts it often sounds like i'm beating a dead horse and constantly bringing up her recruitment, coversations with her Rho Gam and things about grades this year. It's all speculation and hearsay. And the majority of rumors are probably from disgruntled girls that got cut from houses they liked.

I'm not trying to pee on your leg and tell you it's raining, just telling you what I hear.

[Maman]

Thank you Titchou. <head nod>

On second thought, Bullet 2 seems unlikely for young ladies as active members and friends of PNMs to accomplish. It really takes a lot of maturity to be impartial. So, after further review, it seems normal for Recruitment Counselors to range their guidance from "maximize your options<high five>" to "drop now."
Rho Gams are really just a sounding board for the emotional toll of recruitment.

[Maman]

Originally Posted by WestcoastWonder

I'm not trying to pee on your leg and tell you it's raining, just telling you what I hear.

LOVE IT! Is this regional? It sounds very military.

[WestcoastWonder]

Originally Posted by Maman

LOVE IT! Is this regional? It sounds very military.

Lol i'm not sure, But it's a book by Judge Judy! Good read!

[AZTheta]

Still wondering if you're in an NPC sorority. Thought you might have overlooked my question on the previous page.

[WestcoastWonder]

Originally Posted by AZTheta

Still wondering if you're in an NPC sorority. Thought you might have overlooked my question on the previous page.

Didn't see that before, sorry! But I Could be. Could be not... However soon enough i'll divulge.

[AZTheta]

Originally Posted by WestcoastWonder

True, and I should be wary as well. If you look through my posts it often sounds like i'm beating a dead horse and constantly bringing up her recruitment, coversations with her Rho Gam and things about grades this year. It's all speculation and hearsay. And the majority of rumors are probably from disgruntled girls that got cut from houses they liked.

I'm not trying to pee on your leg and tell you it's raining, just telling you what I hear.

But then, in doing so, you're perpetuating the rumors, hearsay, gossip, etc. We've discussed in other threads the damage being done by alumnae and non-members who are heavily invested in the past and maintaining perceived tiers, etc. In another thread someone made some ridiculous comments about Arizona recruitment. I'm choosing to ignore that, for the time being.

Sororities were founded at a time when to be a woman in a college environment was extremely challenging. The focus on scholarship remains to this day. PNMs with lousy GPAs will likely forever remain PNMs, unless they apply themselves seriously to academics.

Equivocating confirms what we already know. The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.

[WestcoastWonder]

Originally Posted by AZTheta

But then, in doing so, you're perpetuating the rumors, hearsay, gossip, etc. We've discussed in other threads the damage being done by alumnae and non-members who are heavily invested in the past and maintaining perceived tiers, etc. In another thread someone made some ridiculous comments about Arizona recruitment. I'm choosing to ignore that, for the time being.

Sororities were founded at a time when to be a woman in a college environment was extremely challenging. The focus on scholarship remains to this day. PNMs with lousy GPAs will likely forever remain PNMs, unless they apply themselves seriously to academics.

Equivocating confirms what we already know. The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.

Agreed and understood. Moving on....

[Nanners52674]

Originally Posted by WestcoastWonder

Didn't see that before, sorry! But I Could be. Could be not... However soon enough i'll divulge.

Hogwash, it's a yes or no question. Why such reluctance to answer it?

[IndianaSigKap]

Originally Posted by Nanners52674

Hogwash, it's a yes or no question. Why such reluctance to answer it?

She could be in the process of going online with an NPHC. Something in one of her earlier posts made me think this might be a possibility.

[Nanners52674]

Originally Posted by IndianaSigKap

She could be in the process of going online with an NPHC. Something in one of her earlier posts made me think this might be a possibility.

Ahhh, my fault. My narrow sight never considered that, with her having a sister going NPC.

My apologies.

[AXOmom]

It could be that she is an NPHC aspirant and didn't read AzTheta's question carefully - hence the "could be, could be not," but AzTheta specifically asked her if she was in an NPC sorority not if she was in a sorority, so it is a yes or no question. Of course she might have some reason for not wanting to divulge that information.