University of Oklahoma Thread! - Page 3

arrowlady · #31 08-14-2013, 08:03 AM

Wow did not know there were sororities that would take a legacy to pref and not bid them, that is sad.

Still following up on my rec girls
But so far
1 did not get a bid (I think she SIP'd), 1 Pi Phi, 3 Gamma Phi's, 2 Delta Gammas, 1 AXO and 1 Kappa

can't wait to hear hithere's story!

AOII Angel · #32 08-14-2013, 09:23 AM

Honestly, it's only sad because people assume that if you're a legacy you're in. If you have a legacy going through for these groups, alumnae need to know THEIR legacy policy and inform their legacy that being at pref isn't a sure thing for a bid. Chapters have a right to choose their own members. To those groups, they may feel they are giving the legacy every chance to shine before making their final decision.

Btw, I have a chapter sister that was a double legacy to one of these groups and did not receive a bid after listing them first on her bid card. She was a better fit in my chapter than in the other. She made a stellar AOII. I won't say she wasn't crushed, but she didn't know that she had a possibility of not getting a bid.

CMDelta · #33 08-14-2013, 10:22 AM

Oh believe me, the rec girl and her MOM (who the legacy was) knew it was NOT a guaranteed bid but, of course, the girls in the chapter certainly made her FEEL like she was in and was wanted and would be getting a bid. I'm sure the ones who knew her did want her in. She just wasn't high enough on the list, I get that. It just saddens me that that IS our legacy policy. I think chapters need to know who their legacies are and if they want them, they should decide by the 3rd round. It makes it more fair for the pnm's and other sororities to know that the legacy chapter is not going to take them. So they shouldn't be invited to pref! I knew the policy before last year when my DD went thru at an SEC school. Thank God my sorority released her after skit day but she has a pledge sister who did get invited to my sorority (and her mom's sorority) and ended up not getting a bid nor did she get her 2nd choice because they assumed she would get her legacy so she got her 3rd choice and pledged with my daughter. You can imagine neither she nor her mom were happy (especially if they didn't know) and I just don't think that needs to happen!

FSUZeta · #34 08-14-2013, 10:39 AM

The sad thing is that legacy policies are posted somewhere on each national website, and I would venture to say that they posted in the sorority magazine yearly, and are even on some collegiate chapter websites. Despite these efforts, members seem to miss them year after year and the confusion continues.

irishpipes · #35 08-14-2013, 12:28 PM

I agree that the policies should be clearly communicated, but I don't know that it would really solve the problem. Even if the policy says that legacies aren't guaranteed anything, if the member's experience has been that legacies are treated a certain way, she may mistakenly believe the policy is technically true but not really done in practice.

travelgirl · #36 08-14-2013, 12:51 PM

I heard about this from a friend whose daughter participated in recruitment at OU. I'm not trying to throw gas on the fire, but this girl was the epitome of the term, legacy. Apparently, her mother and two aunts were all members of this same house at OU, and her sister is sitting (a present member) of the house as well. Plus one of the aunts served on the sorority's advisory committee to celebrate the house's 100 year anniversary.

hithere112 · #37 08-14-2013, 12:56 PM

its true. It literally does not matter how many connections you have to a house at OU, they will and do cut ANYONE. Maybe this girl did not have the grades. That is one thing these houses will not compromise on.

Lovethesand · #38 08-14-2013, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by hithere112

its true. It literally does not matter how many connections you have to a house at OU, they will and do cut ANYONE. Maybe this girl did not have the grades. That is one thing these houses will not compromise on.

I think that's clear across the board from school to school how important grades are. I thought most of the grade cuts were earlier and wouldn't happen after Pref round. Again, we don't know the WHY? for this particular girl and can only vent and/or speculate.

irishpipes · #39 08-14-2013, 01:41 PM

Thank you, Lovethesand! None of us was present for MS. We entrust that to our active members. To criticize them when the only information we have is from the injured party is unfair. I know girls and moms are disappointed, but a lot of times the "facts" we get from an unhappy PNM/mom are skewed by the emotion of the situation.

It is very competitive to get into certain chapters at OU. Everyone knows that. Those chapters also have lots of legacies. The actives have to make a lot of tough choices.

On another topic: Hey OU Panhellenic - please open for expansion. Thank you.

pinapple · #40 08-14-2013, 02:07 PM

I think most legacies know the specific policy for their legacy house, so in my opinion it is not lack of education. The issue is the inconsistent policies between organizations and the confusion it causes PNMs during tent talk and the anxious period between the final rankings and the opening of the envelopes. For a girl who prefs their legacy house ABC, and ABC policy says, "pref girls get first bid list", she knows she will be and ABC if she went to pref and ranked them first. For the girl who prefs DEF, her legacy house, yet that chapter does not guarantee first bid list, it causes a great deal of confusion and hurt to hear other girls talk about how they know they will be an ABC because they ranked them first, and their celebrations begin 12 hours earlier than everyone else...no stress...all fun. IMO, all legacy that go to pref should be on the first bid list. Otherwise other house will either release them not invite them at all and we all know it is such and emotionally charged time, who needs that?

Missouri Ivy · #41 08-14-2013, 02:51 PM

With RFM, is there still a first and second bid list, or is it just one ranked list?

arrowlady · #42 08-14-2013, 03:11 PM

I can only imagine the hurt feelings of the mother and sitting sister. But as stated none of us are not privy to membership selection. And with so many legacies going thru it is very hard. I know my chapter cut some great legacies as well (prior to pref round). I am sure that is true for all the houses on campus.

gatordeltapgh · #43 08-14-2013, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Missouri Ivy

With RFM, is there still a first and second bid list, or is it just one ranked list?

Still a first and second list. The first list is alpha order and will be as long as the low number of the quota range. Often quota ends up higher than the quota range, but in the end it all depends on how the RFM specialists can best maximize the numbers of chapter reaching quota and the number of PNMs placed.

ChioLu · #44 08-14-2013, 03:29 PM

Searching facebook & twitter, found only few NM totals so far:
Quota at OU - 81
AXO -
AGD - 42 (pictured in the group NM photo on facebook, not sure if this is the entire NM class)
AOPi -
APi - 88 (per Alpha Phi thread on GC - 81 + 7)
Chi O -
DDD -
DG - 84 (per a posting on a DG thread on GC)
GPhiB - 88 (per facebook photo & a comment on total # of NMs)
Theta -
KKG -
Pi Phi -

Please update if you have info!

WhiteDaisy128 · #45 08-14-2013, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ChioLu

Searching facebook & twitter, found only few NM totals so far:
Quota at OU - 81
AXO -
AGD - 42 (pictured in the group NM photo on facebook, not sure if this is the entire NM class)
AOPi -
APi - 88 (per Alpha Phi thread on GC - 81 + 7)
Chi O -
DDD -
DG - 81 (per a posting on a DG thread on GC)
GPhiB - 88 (per facebook photo & a comment on total # of NMs)
Theta -
KKG -
Pi Phi -

Please update if you have info!

Not sure of the accuracy, but on the DG thread, it lists quota as 81, but DG as getting 84 new members.