UGA Quota Just Raised!!

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by AzTheta

guess it was the mint chocolate chip ice cream...you fake scientist. you not miss a trick. (those are for thetygerlily)

/back to TOTAL @ UGA

Crying in my corner with my borrowed litter.

[DubaiSis]

If total is adjusted every year right after rush, a rise or a drop of a few shouldn't be seen as a problem. It's when you let it go for far too long and the change has to be 50 that dropping total would be a big ole problem.

[Titchou]

If, and that's a big if sometimes, they do it correctly, the NPC Area Adviser along with each group's NPC delegate also weigh in. So there should be some sense of rational thinking.

[SoCalGirl]

Sorry, my rant is not specific to UGA. It's more of a general "resetting of total shouldn't happen when it's killing a chapter" rant.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by SoCalGirl

Sorry, my rant is not specific to UGA. It's more of a general "resetting of total shouldn't happen when it's killing a chapter" rant.

I tend to agree with this...I was on a campus with 19 groups, which is obviously towards the high end, but there were typically about 5 under total. Had they raised total so that 9 groups were under, I wonder if there would have been more women we got through COB who wouldn't have come to us, instead having their sights set on one of the groups that was stronger during recruitment.

[Cheerio]

Forgive old eyesight...read this entire thread earlier today, still not seeing a new listed number for total at Georgia...

[UGAalum94]

Yep, what's the new number?

[DoctorD]

Depending on what report I'm reading, 180 or 200 was the old number.

Doesn't answer the question though, does it

[dgdramadawg]

Originally Posted by DoctorD

Depending on what report I'm reading, 180 or 200 was the old number.

Doesn't answer the question though, does it

I heard from an active member of another chapter at UGA that total was raised from 180 to 200 last year. Then I was told after recruitment this year that total was 219. And now apparently it's being raised from whichever one of those it is?

I have come to the conclusion that total is apparently as secret at UGA as bid lists.

[SoCalGirl]

Originally Posted by Mevara

Average chapter size is the best alternative to Max or Median chapter size.

Originally Posted by Mevara

If you can get which one to pass, Average?

At our campus we currently change total to median chapter size right after formal. The problem with that is that we always have a few ladies drop in every chapter. Last year every chapter was COBing except 1.

Technically median is one type of average, just like mode and mean.
I took five quarters of three different types of statistics and that's pretty much the sum of my stats knowledge.

There in no way should be a change in total that results in most chapters doing COB.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by SoCalGirl

Technically median is one type of average, just like mode and mean.
I took five quarters of three different types of statistics and that's pretty much the sum of my stats knowledge.

There in no way should be a change in total that results in most chapters doing COB.

There are two ways of looking at this. If total is set artificially low and some chapters are much larger than total, making it impossible for the smaller groups to EVER catch up because they are capped by total, then you have to raise total to give them a chance to make up that difference. Each FR cycle it just gets worse.

Raising total too high that makes it prohibitive for chapters to ever reach and all they do is COB all the time is not the goal. But...a chapter should not argue that they don't want to have to COB to keep from raising Total if it helps the smaller chapters that need to be able to grow. It becomes very noticeable over time that XYZ is half as big as ABC even though XYZ is at total.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Raising total too high that makes it prohibitive for chapters to ever reach and all they do is COB all the time is not the goal. But...a chapter should not argue that they don't want to have to COB to keep from raising Total if it helps the smaller chapters that need to be able to grow. It becomes very noticeable over time that XYZ is half as big as ABC even though XYZ is at total.

I don't think UGA (or any of the SEC schools for that matter) have to worry about raising total too high. We're talking that probably right now total is 200, raised to 219, and there are many chapters that have 210-215. When you have 215 members getting 4 more is a piece of cake and no reason to whine.

However, when you have 30 members and are trying to get to the too-high total of 50, getting 4 more is a huge undertaking (unless you know a set of conjoined quadruplets).

This all being said...it would be good if there was a way to say to PNMs "just because total has been raised, doesn't mean that you have a snowball's chance to get into Awesome ABC that dropped you after the first round."

[DubaiSis]

And expansion. I think there has to be a point (150 members, 175 members) where expansion should really be considered. Even if you decide your tipping point is 200, it needs to addressed. Yes there may be reductions over time but the growth we're seeing isn't going to suddenly collapse in a year, and those chapters may not like it, but they could survive (make their mortgage payments) at WAY fewer members.

Plus, as I've seen it, adding chapters doesn't seem to be reducing quota anywhere. More chapters=more interest or possibly more effective RFM. I don't know which.

[AGDee]

In my 28 years of Greek involvement, I have seen interest in Greek organizations go up and down in cyclical trends. With the number of expansions and the high Totals we're seeing on some campuses, we are clearly in the upward trend. Where will the peak be and when will we start to see a decline remains to be seen.

I think there is an overall trend for young people to join structured things. This generation didn't just go outside and play. They didn't have pick up baseball games in a field. They have been signed up for structured social activities their whole lives. I think this is why we're seeing the insurgence in Greek life too. They don't know how to be social without the structure of an organization.

I've been pretty shocked that with the economy struggling as it has been, we haven't seen a sharp decline over the last decade. Instead, we are seeing huge growth. I really think it is because of the structured social activity life.

[dgdramadawg]

Originally Posted by AGDee

I've been pretty shocked that with the economy struggling as it has been, we haven't seen a sharp decline over the last decade. Instead, we are seeing huge growth. I really think it is because of the structured social activity life.

I've wondered about that, too. A couple of years ago, a mom told me that she was asking her daughter to go through recruitment because she had heard being in a sorority would be a good foot in the door for getting a job after graduation. The mom was essentially willing to foot the bill for God-knows-how-much in total sorority dues and fees over 4 years for a little feeling of security in the unstable job market. [Her daughter had no interest in Greek life and dropped after round 1.]