Taliban or Tea Party?

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by amIblue?

Both sides have done it. No one should be proud of it.

Bristol Palin has now become a public figure in her own right, and frankly, I think she deserves it.

I assumed she was talking about Trig Palin, who is still being made the butt of jokes due to his Downs Syndrome.

http://www.tmz.com/2012/08/20/wayne-...t-sarah-palin/

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

I assumed she was talking about Trig Palin, who is still being made the butt of jokes due to his Downs Syndrome.

http://www.tmz.com/2012/08/20/wayne-...t-sarah-palin/

No serious person has ever made a joke about Trig. Poor baby was a new born when his mama was thrown into the spot light. Honestly, Palin put her own children in the spot light in the way that no other politician ever has. When you use your kids as props, people feel like they are fair game, whether or not that is fair. Comics, which you have pointed out, make a living saying outrageous things. Wayne Brady is not a part of the political dialogue and should not be used as an excuse to ramp up rhetoric. Making fun of those with disabilities is distasteful regardless of their parentage...God knows the joke didn't bother Trig any at his age, but others with Trisomy 21 may not take so kindly to the joke.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

No serious person has ever made a joke about Trig. Poor baby was a new born when his mama was thrown into the spot light. Honestly, Palin put her own children in the spot light in the way that no other politician ever has. When you use your kids as props, people feel like they are fair game, whether or not that is fair. Comics, which you have pointed out, make a living saying outrageous things. Wayne Brady is not a part of the political dialogue and should not be used as an excuse to ramp up rhetoric. Making fun of those with disabilities is distasteful regardless of their parentage...God knows the joke didn't bother Trig any at his age.

If I didn't know better I'd say it sounds like you're defending people who choose to attack Palin's children.

[Gingerdeltaz]

Oops...I mistakenly put this as part of the quote section in my reply. This should have been after the quote about Mr. Jackson. My apologies.

Since I want to be open minded to other points of view I will agree that Samuel L. Jackson, someone I consider to be on the far left, is not a nominee and is simply expressing his political views as a private citizen in the public view. Similarly, Rush Limbaugh, someone I consider to be on the far right, was a private citizen in the public view expressing his (equally outrageous) opinion during the birth control controversy about the "character" of Sandra Fluke. He was fodder for the mainstream media and liberal organizations for days...unlike the chirping of crickets regarding Mr. Jackson's remarks.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Gingerdeltaz

Since I want to be open minded to other points of view I will agree that Samuel L. Jackson, someone I consider to be on the far left, is not a nominee and is simply expressing his political views as a private citizen in the public view. Similarly, Rush Limbaugh, someone I consider to be on the far right, was a private citizen in the public view expressing his (equally outrageous) opinion during the birth control controversy about the "character" of Sandra Fluke. He was fodder for the mainstream media and liberal organizations for days...unlike the chirping of crickets regarding Mr. Jackson's remarks.

Is context relevant here? Limbaugh is an influential political commentator with the top-rated talk radio show (15 million listeners). He made his comments on that radio show, and he intended them to be part of his as political discourse. Those comments have both the potential to reflect on the sponsors of his show and to influence lots of Ditto-Heads.

Jackson is an actor who tweeted the comments. Granted, he has over a million followers (seriously?), but still, it's a tweet from an actor. Does anybody really care? (Perhaps my bias is showing. I simply don't see the point of tweeting.)

Limbaugh actually has the ability to influence politics. I don't think the same can be said for Jackson. Under those circumstances, do the two comments carry the same weight or deserve the same response?

[AOII Angel]

No one looks to Samuel L. Jackson on the left for political commentary, but we all know millions on the right subscribe to Rush Limbaugh, and he is paid a pretty penny for those thoughts. Yet again, your comparison is poor. If you want to compare someone, how about the prayer group that claims to have gotten God to move the hurricane from its intended coarse to Tampa and the GOP convention by sending it to MS/LA. That's not offensive?

[amIblue?]

I have never heard anyone joke about Trig. That's disgusting. Who does that?

[amIblue?]

Ok, google just answered my question: Wayne Brady is the ass who made fun of Trig.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Nowhere in there did I defend anyone. I just said that Palin bears some culpability for not protecting her children from the onslaught caused by her own rhetoric. There are nuts on both sides of the aisle, and MOST politicians are smart enough to keep their kids out of the spotlight. I think most of the drama could have been easily prevented and those kids would have been much better off by leaving them all back in Alaska. The people that attacked are nuts, but we have paparazzi chasing teen stars and people commenting about these children on websites everyday. Some of the ugliness was inevitable because people love a trainwreck.

But you're justifying it. Politicians have their familys on the campaign trail all of the time so I don't know what you mean when you say she should have kept them out of the spotlight.

Originally Posted by amIblue?

Ok, google just answered my question: Wayne Brady is the ass who made fun of Trig.

I posted a link in my post. Louis CK, Seth McFarlane and Bill Maher also made digs at him too in the past.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

But you're justifying it. Politicians have their familys on the campaign trail all of the time so I don't know what you mean when you say she should have kept them out of the spotlight.

Perhaps my perception was wrong or my memory is wrong (or both -- it's quite possible), but it seemed to me that Sarah Palin didn't just not keep them out of the spotlight, but that she often seemed to push them into it. By contrast, I don't think the Oabama kids were seen on the campaign trail that often in 2008. From what I'm reading, that may be changing some this year.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Perhaps my perception was wrong or my memory is wrong (or both -- it's quite possible), but it seemed to me that Sarah Palin didn't just not keep them out of the spotlight, but that she often seemed to push them into it. By contrast, I don't think the Oabama kids were seen on the campaign trail that often in 2008. From what I'm reading, that may be changing some this year.

That was my perception as well. She continued to do the same after the election by signing up for a reality TV series, etc.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by amIblue?

I overlooked the link. Sorry.

He's still an ass. So are the others you mentioned.

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

But you're justifying it. Politicians have their familys on the campaign trail all of the time so I don't know what you mean when you say she should have kept them out of the spotlight.

I posted a link in my post. Louis CK, Seth McFarlane and Bill Maher also made digs at him too in the past.

They are all comedians. Comedians make asshat comments all the time. Are we shocked? No. Actually, I was a little shocked by Wayne Brady bc it's not his usual topic. Again, other than Bill Maher, comics aren't defining political commentary. They are making a buck making people laugh. Wayne Brady obviously didn't get away with it. Trying to pretend there is some liberal conspiracy to trash Trig Palin is ridiculous.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

They are all comedians. Comedians make asshat comments all the time. Are we shocked? No. Actually, I was a little shocked by Wayne Brady bc it's not his usual topic. Again, other than Bill Maher, comics aren't defining political commentary. They are making a buck making people laugh. Wayne Brady obviously didn't get away with it. Trying to pretend there is some liberal conspiracy to trash Trig Palin is ridiculous.

Actually many comics regularly discuss politics in their routines and on interviews. Dennis Miller, Stephan Colbert, Jon Stewart, George Carlin, Lewis Black and Janeane Garofalo instantly come to mind and believe it or not, a lot of them are quite influential within certain demographics.

And I'm not pretending there is a liberal conspiracy to trash Trig Palin. I just mentioned instances where liberal leaning people have actually trashed him. No conspiracy theories needed there.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

Actually many comics regularly discuss politics in their routines and on interviews. Dennis Miller, Stephan Colbert, Jon Stewart, George Carlin, Lewis Black and Janeane Garofalo instantly come to mind and believe it or not, a lot of them are quite influential within certain demographics.

And I'm not pretending there is a liberal conspiracy to trash Trig Palin. I just mentioned instances where liberal leaning people have actually trashed him. No conspiracy theories needed there.

The ones you mentioned before don't. Notice I gave you Bill Maher because I recognized that some do, but rarely do these people actually effect policy. They also, with the exception of Miller, Colbert and Stewart, don't have daily platforms to spout their ideas.

BTW, I love Bill Maher. I don't agree with him on everything, but it never fails that I'll be bitching about something, and I flip on his show and it's on his monologue. He's very inciteful and not afraid to say something even when it's not popular. He's been "anti-war on drugs" since the 80s, before it was cool. He's a misogynist, but I'm not going to marry him.

[amIblue?]

I overlooked the link. Sorry.

He's still an ass. So are the others you mentioned.