I'm Too Pretty To Do Homework!!!!!! - Page 3

SWTXBelle · #1 09-01-2011, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Optimus Prime

I worry about this because hypothetical situations always stem from small instances. There is always a starting point and the small, "not so bad" ones always desensitize people for the really bad ones. I have no children to worry about wearing these shirts and I'm not a feminist, but this shirt is degrading to women.

I took a class on how movies and television roles portray gender and race. We don't realize how small messages like these really impact how we view, think about and stereotype people, but they impact us greatly. So even if it may not be an outwardly offensive shirt, it is sending a bad message into the minds of everyone and helping to shape more stereotypes that women have been trying to break.

I agree - except I have to add, it IS outwardly offensive BECAUSE it buys into a negative stereotype.If you want that shirt, thetaj, go to zazzle or cafe'press and have at it. See? Not censorship.

DrPhil · #2 09-01-2011, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by thetaj

This single instance just doesn't cross the line for me, and that's where our opinions differ.

It doesn't have to cross the line for you. This is neither about you nor me.

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Originally Posted by thetaj

I'm no philosopher or politician so I'm not worried with the hypothetical situations that could stem from this, but

This makes you seem silly. I'm sure you didn't intend to convey that you are not a forward thinking person.

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Originally Posted by thetaj

I really wouldn't support an ISUCKYODICK shirt (though Spencer's probably already has these available for K-12). There is a line somewhere, but this one doesn't cross it for me.

LOL @ whoever didn't want to buy the ISUCKYODICK K-12 shirt so much that they made it so no one else could buy it

AlphaFrog · #3 09-01-2011, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by thetaj

(though Spencer's probably already has these available for K-12).

And herein lies an important distinction...I really think this is as much a "who" as a "what". While I would be sad to see the same Tee at Spencer's, it would be much less a surprise and less of an issue if it were at Spencer's vs. Penny's.

Munchkin03 · #4 09-01-2011, 05:00 PM

Dude, if a girl was "too pretty to do homework," then wouldn't she be able to get guys who weren't her brother to do it for her? Guess she's not that pretty after all!

thetaj · #5 09-01-2011, 05:35 PM

I don't want the damn shirt, people.

cheerfulgreek · #6 09-01-2011, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by thetaj

I don't want the damn shirt, people.

lol lol
Hilarious!!!

Drolefille · #7 09-01-2011, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil

Yes.

Just like I don't think adults wear tshirts that they absolutely disagree with. If you wear a shirt that says "I'm with stupid," you are wearing it not only because you find it funny (you could see it on someone else and just laugh) but because it resonates with you enough to wear it. People need to stop bullshitting and acting as though life is way more complex than it is. When adults act naive and stupid we can't be shocked when younger generations learn how to be naive and stupid.

Agreed.

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Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

Words have meaning. There's the literal meaning, and there's the meta message. In the case of this t-shirt, both are awful. Yes, JCP was trying to make money. You don't do that by perpetuating negative stereotypes which offend your target market. The shirt is pulled; the market has spoken.

Agreed.

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Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

I don't think it's that big of a deal. I mean, it's funny how people thought it was sexist and were offended by it, to the point where JC Penny's had to pull it, but the revealing clothing for teens are still for sale.

It is sexist and perpetuates a sexist message.
Not solving all problems doesn't mean that you don't solve any.

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow

I'm not a fan of censoring clothing like this. I'm sure that someone out there thinks that shirt is witty, so why should the public have the ability to tell that person s/he can't buy it?

That being said, I think it would've been more effective if it said "...I make my brother do it" as opposed to "...so my brother has to do it for me."

Not censorship. If anything it's the free market at work so to speak. It does make sense to try and influence our world to make it be the way we want it to and we do it all the time.

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Originally Posted by DrPhil

Yeah imagine a world where there are instances when individual outcomes are surpassed by aggregate outcomes. We should all just chill in our own little huts and let other humans fend for themselves, especially when we're talking about what mainstream retailers are selling.

I can't wait to see those awesome "I'm a baaaaaad bitch" and "ISUCKYODICK" tshirts for K-12. Those who don't like those shirts can just not buy them. Let everyone else do as they choose. And, yes, I consider an "I'm too pretty" shirt to not only be dumb but to be offensive gender jargon.

Societies are awesome.

I heart you.

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Originally Posted by Munchkin03

Dude, if a girl was "too pretty to do homework," then wouldn't she be able to get guys who weren't her brother to do it for her? Guess she's not that pretty after all!

This is not a 'part of the solution' comment, this is totally a 'part of the problem' comment.

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Originally Posted by thetaj

I don't want the damn shirt, people.

Good because you can't have it as it's not for sale and it's ugly anyway so you really shouldn't want it. That and not supporting messages that tell young girls that pretty > smart.

33girl · #8 09-01-2011, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille

This is not a 'part of the solution' comment, this is totally a 'part of the problem' comment.

If your brother's doing stuff for you because you're pretty, that's a whole 'nother problem right there. Maybe this shirt is part of the VC Andrews collection.

Drolefille · #9 09-01-2011, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl

If your brother's doing stuff for you because you're pretty, that's a whole 'nother problem right there. Maybe this shirt is part of the VC Andrews collection.

I refuse to finish reading those books, I. just. no.

The wording reads more to me like brother's made to or brother has to because otherwise she fails. But yeah that'd be creeptastic.

AGDee · #10 09-01-2011, 05:43 PM

I want a t-shirt that says "I'm too sexy for my shirt" Oh wait.. nm.

DrPhil · #11 09-01-2011, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by AGDee

I want a t-shirt that says "I'm too sexy for my shirt" Oh wait.. nm.

Go away. LOL.

Now if a child had on that shirt....

SWTXBelle · #12 09-01-2011, 05:48 PM

http://blog.pigtailpals.com/2011/08/...to-do-with-it/

SWTXBelle · #13 09-01-2011, 08:45 PM

It's a shirt that perpetuates a negative stereotype.
Whether or not my daughter has that shirt, she has to deal with the type of culture it represents and perpetuates.
I will always protest anything which denigrates women and their intellectual ability.

After all , I'm a sorority woman; I am the product of an organization founded by women who were told they were too weak intellectually to succeed at the college level. They fought in 1874, I'm still fighting in 2011. I am the mother of two daughters, and I've had to raise them in a culture that even in this day and age will try to sexualize them and teach them their worth is bound up in their appeal to the opposite sex. Nope, not doing it.

AGDee · #14 09-01-2011, 11:31 PM

I'm a little offended that Drole has quoted everybody except me in this thread. #givemeattention

AOII Angel · #15 09-01-2011, 11:57 PM

K_S, just sit back and think about the environment for young girls where they are expected to be "bad at math" and you through in the extra pressure of pretending not to be smart so that you will be pretty. These are real issues facing girls that effect their lifetime career options. It is absolutely offensive to have a shirt marketed to girls that reinforces the dumbing down of our girls.