Women should get free birth control, panel says

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

I'm confused on how preventative health services wouldn't exist, without public money.

Currently, gobs and gobs of private money goes into preventative care. And it works, better than the governments inefficient system. Why not enhance the private sector over the public, so that citizens are able to choose what to do and not do with their money?

The fact that you think that you have the right to tell anyone what to do with their money is absolutely disgusting. If you believe in limiting that personal freedom, you probably also want to ban gay marriage...at least if you didn't want to be hypocritical.

Since I actually work in the real health system, this whole post is laughable. The fact that you actually think that providing people with preventative health care limits personal freedom gives me a pretty good idea of the level of logic skills you exhibit. I will refrain from getting into a philosophical debate with you about libertarianism. It's all well and good if every person has the same resources and the same belief system, but it quickly becomes deadly when people don't.

[AlwaysSAI]

Must this thread, of all threads, really turn into yet another GC barking contest?

ROOF! My bark is the loudest.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

Because we're not operating in a hypothetical market - we're operating in an actual, defined system, one in which insurance companies have very little incentive to push preventative services (due to consumer, government and market pressures), and one in which their slavish devotion to quarterly earnings trumps the long-term cost benefit of pushing preventative measures anyway.

I thought Elephant Walk was "smart enough" to know all of this. I guess not.

I was looking forward to reading different opinions on this. I welcome those who can express those opinions in a manner different than Elephant Walk.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by AlwaysSAI

Must this thread, of all threads, really turn into yet another GC barking contest?

ROOF! My bark is the loudest.

Uh...do you have something to share about the actual topic? That's the best way to keep a thread on topic.

[AlwaysSAI]

^^^Sure don't.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by AlwaysSAI

Must this thread, of all threads, really turn into yet another GC barking contest?

ROOF! My bark is the loudest.

Is your bark the loudest? Or is your house the most dry?

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by AlwaysSAI

Must this thread, of all threads, really turn into yet another GC barking contest?

ROOF! My bark is the loudest.

Yes, people disagreeing and discussing matters at a moderately high level really takes a dump on a thread, doesn't it?

Take off your moderator pants, put on a pot of tea, and chill out. EW is somewhat one-note, but a lot of times there's an interesting point to discuss underneath the Libertrolling.

Also, it's like the most anti-Feminist thing on Earth to say "this thread, of all threads" - seriously?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by AlwaysSAI

^^^Sure don't.

Darn!

Originally Posted by agzg

Is your bark the loudest? Or is your house the most dry?

If "house" is code for vagina, you picked the right thread.

Originally Posted by KSig RC

Yes, people disagreeing and discussing matters at a moderately high level really takes a dump on a thread, doesn't it?

Take off your moderator pants, put on a pot of tea, and chill out. EW is somewhat one-note, but a lot of times there's an interesting point to discuss underneath the Libertrolling.

Also, it's like the most anti-Feminist thing on Earth to say "this thread, of all threads" - seriously?

LOL. This topic is rooted in politics and other stuff so it would be this thread, right?

[nittanygirl]

I wish could be free.
I pay $20 a month bc I'm can't use my insurance for it and sometimes, being still in school with only a part time job, it gets to be too expensive for me and I have to cut out some of my groceries, etc to afford it. Personally, I think my boyfriend (long-term, 5 years) should pitch in every now and then since it's not just me who is not ready for a baby (& he has a full-time job and I don't)

Although I know people who pay more, so I can't complain too much.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

I used to take that. Hopefully it will be generic soon, too. Argh...earliest expected date is 2023! Try Lybrel. You take it everyday with no break at all. It now has a generic.

I thought at first this said "try Lysol." Would probably work, and would be super cheap...but umm...

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by nittanygirl

I wish could be free.
I pay $20 a month bc I'm can't use my insurance for it and sometimes, being still in school with only a part time job, it gets to be too expensive for me and I have to cut out some of my groceries, etc to afford it. Personally, I think my boyfriend (long-term, 5 years) should pitch in every now and then since it's not just me who is ready for a baby (& he has a full-time job and I don't)

Although I know people who pay more, so I can't complain too much.

Have you discussed that with him? I would certainly hope that financial burden shouldn't fall only one partner, especially in a very long term relationship. Take turns every other month maybe?

I have always thought it should be free. As noted above, it's much more cost effective to cover birth control than to pay for a child for a lifetime!

[DrPhil]

I believe that partners should share expenses but consider whether he pays expenses, that benefit the both of you, that you do not pay.

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I believe that partners should share expenses but consider whether he pays expenses, that benefit the both of you, that you do not pay.

Agreed. I was going to add that and couldn't figure out how to word it. Like, if he's popping $40 every time you go to the movies or out to dinner or.. $80 if you do both in one night, then he's contributing and feeding you!

[AlwaysSAI]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

If "house" is code for vagina, you picked the right thread.

I was wondering that. And, I'll stop there.

Originally Posted by KSig RC

Yes, people disagreeing and discussing matters at a moderately high level really takes a dump on a thread, doesn't it?

Take off your moderator pants, put on a pot of tea, and chill out. EW is somewhat one-note, but a lot of times there's an interesting point to discuss underneath the Libertrolling.

Also, it's like the most anti-Feminist thing on Earth to say "this thread, of all threads" - seriously?

Eh. I just thought that people, especially women, should be happy about the possibility of preventing babies for free. Not arguing about it. If my verbage, which is always off, makes me anti-feminist, so be it.

[thetaj]

Who caaares who caaaares just gimme free birth control! YEEEEES