Dallas Cowboys Cheerleader Facing Costume Controversy

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by CutiePie2000

Just so that everyone is clear, Anthony Hopkins did play Othello in the BBC production and here are the pictures to prove it. He wasn't all that dark with his makeup though, if I remember correctly.

(That's Bob Hoskins behind him)

I think he was trying to go with the Arab look which requires less make up. And Laurence Olivier did Othello in 1965 with black face on. This was in the UK, so it probably isn't quite the same.

[annabella]

But it's not like they've got a ton of room to be promoted within the organization.... is it a coincidence that Dallas is known for premier strip clubs? SHATTER THAT GLASS CEILING, LADIES!

[Psi U MC Vito]

Flava Flav started that and nobody can do it like him.

[TexasWSP]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Ever see "Birth of Nation" and how Blacks were portrayed? Then to have President Woodrow Wilson say that this movie is one of the most relevant and concerning movies in the nation?

In fact the Klan would dress themselves in Blackface, just before they burned down places like Rosewood in Florida. My own grandmother remembers this event accurately...

So when a dingbat stripper cheerleaders decides to think it is funny to go as Lil Wayne in dark brown make up to make herself black, I am sorry, but I take offense.

Are you seriously comparing a 15th century play as written to what dingbat stripper does in the 21st century?

Alas, reality dictates that this dumbshit does not matter in the end and nothing will change for ignorant asshats who convince others that nothing is wrong with this dysfunction.

Personally, I think calling someone you don't know a "dumbshit" "asshat" with "low self-esteem" that "doesn't matter", is far worse than dressing yourself up like a famous rapper on Halloween. She is a stripper now too...apparently because she is a cheerleader.

Are you seriously comparing a 20 something year old girl's costume to the Klan putting on blackface in 1923 before burning a cemetery? That makes just shitloads of sense. Figured I'd ask since you so casually dismissed the other poster's thoughts/comparison. Bringing up Birth of a Nation isn't relevant either.

There isn't a shred of evidence to suggest any malicious intent with her costume.

[APhiAnna]

Clearly she showed poor judgment, because she should have known that dressing in blackface, no matter the intention, is going to be perceived a certain way and she is going to get attacked. It is a stupid choice of costume, because even if it is not malicious there are literally millions of choices that are more clever and would not offend anybody.

That said, she dressed up as Lil' Wayne, who is a very popular entertainer. At the least I'd say it is impossible to judge if she was being racist in her intentions. Now, if she had dressed up as a "ghetto hoe" in blackface, or was carrying around a box of KFC and a Kool-Aid, it would be 100% clear that she was being maliciously racist. But as it stands, dressing up as a famous entertainer, even with blackface, can only prove that she is an idiot and not that she has anything against black people. Although I cannot fault anybody for feeling offended by it, I can see why you would be offended especially if you knew the history behind blackface. But if I had to guess, this chick has no idea about the history and simply wanted to dress like a rapper and did not realize the implications it would hold, which makes her an idiot, true, but you can't claim she is racist with any certainty.

[BabyPiNK_FL]

agreed ^^^

She just thought, I want to be a black guy for Halloween. I am not a black guy. I need to make myself look like a black guy. I will paint myself to look like a black person.

Me? If I want to be something, I just be the character without the paint. I have an aversion to smearing crap all over my body. You could still tell I was baby spice the 3 years i went out as a Spice Girl without a full body makeover. Or Glinda the Good Witch this year, or whatever else. But that's just me.

ETA:Just looked at the pic. She definitely looks stupid, but not racist. I mean, anyone who wants to emulate little Wayne (a man who is hideous and still has at least 4 kids, 3 of which are born within a one year period) are just stupid. Why. Because Little Wayne's pretty stupid, rich, but stupid.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by BabyPiNK_FL

agreed ^^^

She just thought, I want to be a black guy for Halloween. I am not a black guy. I need to make myself look like a black guy. I will paint myself to look like a black person.

Me? If I want to be something, I just be the character without the paint. I have an aversion to smearing crap all over my body. You could still tell I was baby spice the 3 years i went out as a Spice Girl without a full body makeover. Or Glinda the Good Witch this year, or whatever else. But that's just me.

ETA:Just looked at the pic. She definitely looks stupid, but not racist. I mean, anyone who wants to emulate little Wayne (a man who is hideous and still has at least 4 kids, 3 of which are born within a one year period) are just stupid. Why. Because Little Wayne's pretty stupid, rich, but stupid.

The fact that he reproduced four times is scary enough for me.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by APhiAnna

That said, she dressed up as Lil' Wayne, who is a very popular entertainer. At the least I'd say it is impossible to judge if she was being racist in her intentions. Now, if she had dressed up as a "ghetto hoe" in blackface, or was carrying around a box of KFC and a Kool-Aid, it would be 100% clear that she was being maliciously racist. But as it stands, dressing up as a famous entertainer, even with blackface, can only prove that she is an idiot and not that she has anything against black people. Although I cannot fault anybody for feeling offended by it, I can see why you would be offended especially if you knew the history behind blackface. But if I had to guess, this chick has no idea about the history and simply wanted to dress like a rapper and did not realize the implications it would hold, which makes her an idiot, true, but you can't claim she is racist with any certainty.

I didn't know anyone in this thread was talking about racism in the first place.


We were talking about insensitivity and stupidity.

As an aside, determinations of discrimination and any -ism are usually based on outcome rather than intent. We usually won't know the intent but can "see" or "measure" the outcome.

[epchick]

Dang Lil Wayne must have been a popular costume this year, I've seen several pics on facebook from people who have dressed up as him, blackface and all (none are my friends, they are just random people that were in the picture w/ my friends).

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by TexasWSP

Personally, I think calling someone you don't know a "dumbshit" "asshat" with "low self-esteem" that "doesn't matter", is far worse than dressing yourself up like a famous rapper on Halloween. She is a stripper now too...apparently because she is a cheerleader.

Are you seriously comparing a 20 something year old girl's costume to the Klan putting on blackface in 1923 before burning a cemetery? That makes just shitloads of sense. Figured I'd ask since you so casually dismissed the other poster's thoughts/comparison. Bringing up Birth of a Nation isn't relevant either.

There isn't a shred of evidence to suggest any malicious intent with her costume.

Coming from you: Shitloads! Way to go with the condemnation. I like that... LOL! And yeah, I'm comparing the 2, and IMO, the comparison with the movie Birth of a Nation is relevant ONLY IN REFERENCE to the poster's cause to dismiss the ignorance and insensitivity--but that's my opinion.

How can you tell any kind of intent based on a news story and a picture, then? Sanctimoniously?

[TexasWSP]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Coming from you: Shitloads! Way to go with the condemnation. I like that... LOL! And yeah, I'm comparing the 2, and IMO, the comparison with the movie Birth of a Nation is relevant ONLY IN REFERENCE to the poster's cause to dismiss the ignorance and insensitivity--but that's my opinion.

How can you tell any kind of intent based on a news story and a picture, then? Sanctimoniously?

I can't.

I see nothing to make me think she wasn't simply dressing up for a costume party though, so I will refrain from immediately condemning and hate bashing her.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it doesn't work that way with you.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by TexasWSP

I can't.

I see nothing to make me think she wasn't simply dressing up for a costume party though, so I will refrain from immediately condemning and hate bashing her.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it doesn't work that way with you.

Hmmm? Still working on that pedestal for dummies...

She may have been merely dressing up for a costume party. I am saying her costume was stupid and she is irrelevant.

How interesting is it that I'm immediately condemning and hate bashing a dingbat when she made the choice to put on brown make up so that she really looked like the rapper, Lil Wayne... So are all rappers Black, again--today?

[sarcasm] Wow, I guess I must be terrorist when I say my brown make up NEVER comes off, even when I sit in a vat of bleach... I guess I love living Blackface! Whoo hoo! [/end sarcasm]

Wingnuts would say some bullshit like that tho', why expect any more from them?

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Hmmm? Still working on that pedestal for dummies...

Insults really don't add anything to a discussion, and make the person using them look worse that whoever they are insulting to begin with.

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

She may have been merely dressing up for a costume party. I am saying her costume was stupid and she is irrelevant.

She's obviously not irrelevant to you if you are taking the time to discuss her. Her costume was probably stupid.

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

How interesting is it that I'm immediately condemning and hate bashing a dingbat when she made the choice to put on brown make up so that she really looked like the rapper, Lil Wayne... So are all rappers Black, again--today?

How does this girl dressing up as Lil Wayne - who is black - equate to all rappers are black? She was not dressing up as a generic rapper and felt the need to paint herself black. That would have implied that she thinks all rappers are black.

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

[sarcasm] Wow, I guess I must be terrorist when I say my brown make up NEVER comes off, even when I sit in a vat of bleach... I guess I love living Blackface! Whoo hoo! [/end sarcasm]

This who paragraph makes absolutely no sense. Terrorism? Where did that come from?

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Wingnuts would say some bullshit like that tho', why expect any more from them?

Refer back to first comment here.

[christiangirl]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Those people are neither minstrel show-ish (neither are they coonish). They are expressing themselves, which is what people of all races have the right to do--good or bad--agree or disagree.

Um, yeah not the way I see it, but okay.

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Yes - she stated that her intent was to portray Hoppa. Unless Hoppa-face (most of them were more olive than black) has historical significance, than it's not the same. My children would be classified as Hoppa if we lived in Hawaii` (half Caucasian, half Hispanic), and I thought it was cool.

ETA: Yeah, Tyra was excited about the photos that had more of a National Geographic feel, I think she commented that those were more in line with what she was going for. So there's definitely a difference between mocking something and capturing the beauty of it and so I don't see how anyone could mix the two when the intention is so obviously stated.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by christiangirl

Um, yeah not the way I see it, but okay.

Well...duh.