Sororities NOT upholding Alcoholess Mixing - Page 3

33girl · #31 02-06-2002, 09:34 PM

JadeSea, I think you are missing a couple very important points here.

1. The rules put in place by panhel were decided by A VERY SMALL FRACTION of its members. As the earlier posts in this thread stated, some groups put this issue before collegians for a vote, but many did not. In my GLO's case, the issue was decided by our national council - there was no vote. In effect, seven women made a very important decision for our approximately 4,000 collegiate members without proper representation or input. Does that sound fair to you?

2. My main gripe against third party restrictions has nothing to do with being prudish or responsible...it has to do with FINANCE. What it boils down to is saying "if you have money, you can drink and have off-site mixers. If you don't, you can't." I thought we were making progress past sororities and fraternities being for the rich only. This is pushing us back to that old mindset.

You did hit the nail on the head with one point: this is all about image. These rules weren't established to further the health, safety or well-being of the collegians. If so, we'd have programs advocating responsible drinking and disciplining/helping those who don't, not just pushing the problem out of the houses and onto the liability policies of the bar and club owners.

shadokat · #32 02-07-2002, 10:46 AM

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Originally posted by 33girl
JadeSea, I think you are missing a couple very important points here.

1. The rules put in place by panhel were decided by A VERY SMALL FRACTION of its members. As the earlier posts in this thread stated, some groups put this issue before collegians for a vote, but many did not. In my GLO's case, the issue was decided by our national council - there was no vote. In effect, seven women made a very important decision for our approximately 4,000 collegiate members without proper representation or input. Does that sound fair to you?

Not to be a stickler, but the rules that are in place were not put into place by NPC. NPC made a recommendation that each sorority put a policy in place to support the fraternities that were going alcohol free in their housing. But the individual sororities did their own thing in passing a policy to support this resolution. I know that Sigma Kappa had their entire delegation vote on this at their last convention, while my sorority, D Phi E, had a task force made up of collegiate and alumnae members to discuss all of the pros and cons and pass a resolution. Our national council had to approve what we did, but that wasn't a problem at all. If you're upset with the policy, talk to your national council about it. 33, you're right, it sucks that your group decided on such a large issue in such a narrow way...I feel for you!

33girl · #33 02-07-2002, 09:44 PM

shadokat you are right of course....I was going with the previous post and speaking of "Panhel" as an all encompassing entity, as in all the sororities being members of Panhel...and all those members being part of Panhel....you know, We Are The World and all that.

speaking of panhel how is the situation?

AOX81 · #34 02-08-2002, 01:00 PM

All I can say is that there are definitely times that I'm glad I joined a local sorority. I'm not bashing any national organizations but I think that it is not right to make a whole group suffer, for lack of a better word, because a few people cannot control themselves. Some of these regulations can be enforced on groups that are closely monitored but for others they can get away with murder. Why make all of the rules if you can't enforce them.

I guess I can't talk much because my school is a commuter school and will not have dorms until 2004 and none of the national sororities have houses. My local sorority is the only one to have a house and I would be kind of mad if someone told me that I couldn't keep any alcohol of any kind in my room, especially if I am well over the legal age. I don't drink beer so when I buy a bottle of something it can usually last me a while. I'm not going to throw it out.

The nationals at my school did "under the table mixers" as someone else referred to it. Won't mention any names...but boy would their nationals be shocked and surprised if they came for a visit.

Have a nice day

Sweetums · #35 02-21-2002, 02:33 AM

As far as I can see, every sorority at UBC has strictly adhered to Panhell's no-drinking-at-mixers rule!

James · #36 02-21-2002, 02:43 AM

Its a tribute to NPC social conditioning programs that legal age sorority women choose not to excercise their legal right to drink in order to satisfy someone else's idea of behavior modification.

PM_Mama00 · #37 06-03-2002, 01:53 PM

I have a huge problem with sororities not upholding the no drinking at mixers rule. All NPC sororities are dry (at least I think). Well, ABC had a mixer with XYZ in which XYZ cooked them dinner, and had lots of alcohol involved. They also drank during Greek Week events while they participated (like bowling and pool). One of the things that pissed off my girls happened at the "rock". The rock is a big rock on campus that we paint, I'm sure many of you have the same. They were having big/lil ceremony with DEF fraternity the same night our Phi's were painting the rock, so we decided to split. We showed up close to midnite-- the official time to start painting. Some of our girls were asked to leave because they were not done yet. We overheard some of the songs they did (including sexual and porn-life verses), degrading one another, then celebrating with alcohol. All this was done in front one of our National Chapter Consultants. My problem wtih all this is that they get away with everything! Plus, XYZ and DEF think they are so fun to hang out with cuz they drink. Are any other campuses like this?

LexiKD · #38 06-04-2002, 10:40 AM

We had those same issues and I think they are still going on. It is frustrating but it happens and it isn't the chapter's job to police other chapters. I hate when groups try to get around the regulations...apartments and such, which is more dangerous in the long run.

What gets me is that the NPC resolution was in support to the men's groups going dry. It wasn't an issue with us b/c we all are dry...it had to do with fraternities wanting to do the same and we needed to support them. If and when the fraternities go 100% I hope there isn't an issue.

I really don't see the problem. We had mixers multiple times a week and it got expensive for the men's groups, but you know what, we shouldn't have had that many mixers to begin with. If the groups had a central meeting place or something where we could all hangout maybe individual mixers wouldn't be such an issue?

A very strong PH and IFC would be able to help out with it, but that depends on peolpe wanting to help themselves.