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[VAgirl18]

I still can't help but get a little angry when I think about it. Just so very disappointed.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by lalalucy

First off they are called "new" delta because they can't have official greek letters yet (or they don't know they're alphabet)

Delta isn't an official greek letter?

Originally Posted by 33girl

Blue & white and a lion mascot I could chalk up as a coincidence. Adelphean Society??? NO I DON'T THINK SO.

I'm sure it's not a coincidence. That said, Adelphian was once a fairly common name for college literary societies and similar organizations.

Again, though, I don't think this is a coincidence at all, and I can completely understand the feelings of the ADPis here.

[lalalucy]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Delta isn't an official greek letter?

I'm sure it's not a coincidence. That said, Adelphian was once a fairly common name for college literary societies and similar organizations.

Again, though, I don't think this is a coincidence at all, and I can completely understand the feelings of the ADPis here.

I meant NEW isn't a greek letter and they still use an n in their wooden letters making it seem as if it was NU DELTA rather than NEW DELTA

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by lalalucy

I meant NEW isn't a greek letter and they still use an n in their wooden letters making it seem as if it was NU DELTA rather than NEW DELTA

Right, so there's a rule that states they can use "Delta" but it has to be "New" instead of "Nu?" Is that a rule regarding the number of Greek letters in a name or is there already a Nu Delta?

Please answer..since you know so much...as a nonmember.

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Right, so there's a rule that states they can use "Delta" but it has to be "New" instead of "Nu?" Is that a rule regarding the number of Greek letters in a name or is there already a Nu Delta?

Please answer..since you know so much...as a nonmember.

I'm kind of waiting for the post by a member saying their roommate did it or something along those lines.

[lalalucy]

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

I'm kind of waiting for the post by a member saying their roommate did it or something along those lines.

I actually have no idea why they have to use new but when i went thru recruitment that was a huge no for me, it seems fake. I always thought maybe they messed up and kept it as a joke or that maybe there is a rule somewhere but i don't know.

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by lalalucy

I actually have no idea why they have to use new but when i went thru recruitment that was a huge no for me, it seems fake. I always thought maybe they messed up and kept it as a joke or that maybe there is a rule somewhere but i don't know.

Sorry, that's kind of a GC joke (we seriously need a GC wiki to explain stuff sometimes). Someone posts things that are not well received, and then BAM someone else says that their account was taken over, they had no idea, and that their roommate did it because they forgot to log out of GC. I am not a member of Alpha Delta Pi, so I don't have a lion in this fight, so the reasoning behind the "borrowing" isn't as important to me. I just think it needs to stop regardless of the group, even if the roommate did it.

[wahoo11]

Delta Chi shares 3/4 of its principles with Delta Upsilon verbatim.

Delta Upsilon also shares its colors (blue and old gold) along with 3 of it's principle (Friendship, Justice, and Learning --ie diffusion of liberal culture) with Sigma Chi.

How many fraternities have a knight's helmet and balanced scales on their crests? How many fraternities use a skull or a skull and crossbones? Exactly. A lot.

I think greeks tend to get this overwhelming sense of pride in to which organization they belong. Granted, we do have a lot to be proud of. However, often we forget that out mottos/creeds and colors are often very encompassing and commonplace. Blue and gold, blue and white, red and black are far too common to say anyone explicitly copied them. True, the posted group does have a lot in common with ADPi, but without knowing them, the sense of outrage is unwarranted.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by wahoo11

Delta Chi shares 3/4 of its principles with Delta Upsilon verbatim.

Delta Upsilon also shares its colors (blue and old gold) along with 3 of it's principle (Friendship, Justice, and Learning --ie diffusion of liberal culture) with Sigma Chi.

How many fraternities have a knight's helmet and balanced scales on their crests? How many fraternities use a skull or a skull and crossbones? Exactly. A lot.

I think greeks tend to get this overwhelming sense of pride in to which organization they belong. Granted, we do have a lot to be proud of. However, often we forget that out mottos/creeds and colors are often very encompassing and commonplace. Blue and gold, blue and white, red and black are far too common to say anyone explicitly copied them. True, the posted group does have a lot in common with ADPi, but without knowing them, the sense of outrage is unwarranted.

If that's the case, I'm going to enroll at Cornell, start a fraternity with Red and Buff as its colors, the White Carnation as the flower, and the Knight as our mascot. I'll name this organization New Delta Chi. I'm sure that'll go over well.

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by wahoo11

Delta Chi shares 3/4 of its principles with Delta Upsilon verbatim.

Delta Upsilon also shares its colors (blue and old gold) along with 3 of it's principle (Friendship, Justice, and Learning --ie diffusion of liberal culture) with Sigma Chi.

How many fraternities have a knight's helmet and balanced scales on their crests? How many fraternities use a skull or a skull and crossbones? Exactly. A lot.

I think greeks tend to get this overwhelming sense of pride in to which organization they belong. Granted, we do have a lot to be proud of. However, often we forget that out mottos/creeds and colors are often very encompassing and commonplace. Blue and gold, blue and white, red and black are far too common to say anyone explicitly copied them. True, the posted group does have a lot in common with ADPi, but without knowing them, the sense of outrage is unwarranted.

I'm sorry but these groups were forming at a time when communication and technology were quite different. In 2007 when these ladies organized they could have used the internet for research to be sure they weren't using the same name. Groups can have similarities, but it is hard to explain away the use of:

• colors - Blue & White
• mascot - Lion
• historical name - Adelphean Society
• Motto - "We Live for Each Other"

That's four things, not one, and very specific things to this group that aren't "generic." You also may want to look into crests and heraldry, as there is much diversity in helmets, such as placement and design, and they mean entirely different things which are not always obviously to the average person. Alpha Delta Pi was founded 156 years before this group who currently goes by New Delta, it is not plausible or probable that a woman at UTEP had those specific identifiers come to her in a revelation.

Oh maybe it is New Delta because someone is the reincarnation of an original Adelphean? (If that offends any members I will delete it) People get religious revelations to bring along a new faith movement, perhaps there are visions from beyond we're just not privy to. There could be a flaming talking cactus in the desert for all we know.

[tcsparky]

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

There could be a flaming talking cactus in the desert for all we know.

Just spit Dr. Pepper all over my screen!!


I agree that there are too many commonalities for this to be coincidence. It's very, sad. They could have been original and special, instead of clones or wannabees.

[HBADPi]

I get why people are upset about what happened here with this local sorority but honestly for me what has always made our sorority special isnt the open motto or our mascot or anything like, its always been the more private aspects of our sorority like the ritual that only fellow members know. I truly believe those are the things that make our sorority special because unlike the mascot or colors, it's something that is completely 100% unique to us and can not be duplicated. For those of you who are upset about this, just keep that in mind. Think back to your initiation, that's something no one else can ever take away from you or copy. At the end of the day, I feel sorry for these women because they are the type that will always follow someone else's lead instead of creating their own path in life.

[wahoo11]

Originally Posted by HBADPi

I get why people are upset about what happened here with this local sorority but honestly for me what has always made our sorority special isnt the open motto or our mascot or anything like, its always been the more private aspects of our sorority like the ritual that only fellow members know. I truly believe those are the things that make our sorority special because unlike the mascot or colors, it's something that is completely 100% unique to us and can not be duplicated. For those of you who are upset about this, just keep that in mind. Think back to your initiation, that's something no one else can ever take away from you or copy. At the end of the day, I feel sorry for these women because they are the type that will always follow someone else's lead instead of creating their own path in life.

This.

[ASUADPi]

Originally Posted by HBADPi

I get why people are upset about what happened here with this local sorority but honestly for me what has always made our sorority special isnt the open motto or our mascot or anything like, its always been the more private aspects of our sorority like the ritual that only fellow members know. I truly believe those are the things that make our sorority special because unlike the mascot or colors, it's something that is completely 100% unique to us and can not be duplicated. For those of you who are upset about this, just keep that in mind. Think back to your initiation, that's something no one else can ever take away from you or copy. At the end of the day, I feel sorry for these women because they are the type that will always follow someone else's lead instead of creating their own path in life.

Great points! And you are totally right!!!!

[honeychile]

Great response, HBADPi!

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