"Negro" in the historical context.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by naraht

My neighbor still uses 'colored', but he is 84. He is definitely *not* racist. After his second wife died about 5 years ago, he dated one of the in home care-givers for his wife for about two years. She didn't mind before referred to as colored, but she is in her 60s.

Is he not racist because he's friendly and fucks the in home Black care-giver?

*chuckle*

"Some of my best friends are Black."
"Some of my best servants are Black."

[naraht]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Is he not racist because he's friendly and fucks the in home Black care-giver?

*chuckle*

"Some of my best friends are Black."
"Some of my best servants are Black."

Given his prostate issues, I *seriously* doubt it. And the relationship did not really start until his wife died. My neighbor broke it off because he didn't want to be a burden to her as he got older. (He figures his next wife is going to bury *him*).

Also, He was a mechanic during his career and considers the person who first taught him in that field (who he talks about fondly) was a Colored man who rented from them.

[ForeverRoses]

[QUOTE=33girl;1908732]belt little more graphic

I tried these at the very beginning of my "womanhood" and they were a total pain in the ass.

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hijack-
I don't think these would work very well with low-rise jeans!

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by naraht

Given his prostate issues, I *seriously* doubt it. And the relationship did not really start until his wife died. My neighbor broke it off because he didn't want to be a burden to her as he got older. (He figures his next wife is going to bury *him*).

Also, He was a mechanic during his career and considers the person who first taught him in that field (who he talks about fondly) was a Colored man who rented from them.

So?

What does any of this have to do with whether or not he's a "racist?"

You should've just said he's a product of his environment and avoided the racist/racism issue.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by ForeverRoses

hijack-
I don't think these would work very well with low-rise jeans!

"That isn't my thong, it's my pad belt!! Sexy! Argh!"

[naraht]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I also hope smart people know the difference between Black people jokingly saying "Negro" (and other words with historical context); versus the historical context that lead to such words being considered offensive (not by all, but by enough for it to count within a societal context; and most of these words themselves aren't offensive--the context, usage, and tone are offensive).

The first part of this sentence seems to me to come dangerously close to the argument that it is OK for black people to say nigger, but not for white people to do so.

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Seriously, naraht? This has been said for generations and said in the mainstream for decades (a la Peggy McIntosh's white privilege appearances on Oprah where she discussed that the racial designations aren't about skin complexion--and things like whose "nude stockings" are nude).

Seriously. Unfortunately, IMO, the term "European-American" has more or less been hijacked by groups that are either Neo-nazi (or close). My kids have ancestry from at least 7 different European Nations with no single nation representing more than a quarter. (Led to some fun issues with the elementary school when they wanted something all the kids to bring something in from the family culture).

Originally Posted by DrPhil

That's how it is in EVERY society because NO ONE is born with a racial, ethnic, and or cultural identity.

Do you disagree with putting race on Birth Certificates then?

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I get that people want to pretend to be "different" and pretend that they are oblivious to, and challenging of, race and the history behind words like "Negro" in certain societies (not just AmeriKKKa). But, you have to first acknowledge the reality that we've created and also acknowledge that you're an active participant in it 99% of the time--the other 1% is devoted to trying to be "different."

Until you can show that in the year 2010 that either a majority of this country or the Policies of the federal government align with those of the KKK, I would appreciate that the term "AmeriKKKa" no longer be used.

[DaemonSeid]

Until you can show that in the year 2010 that either a majority of this country or the Policies of the federal government align against those of the Negro designation, I would appreciate that the term "Negro" no longer be used.



....just saying.

[ForeverRoses]

Originally Posted by naraht

Do you disagree with putting race on Birth Certificates then?

I am always surprised to hear of places where race IS in the birth certificates. In Indiana, I know they haven't been on birth certficates from the 1970s onward (I'm not sure of before that, since I haven't seen a certificate from prior to 1971).

Then again, Indiana also did away with the "mother's maiden name" part sometime between 1973 and 2002- now it just reads father's full name, mother's full name.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Until you can show that in the year 2010 that either a majority of this country or the Policies of the federal government align against those of the Negro designation, I would appreciate that the term "Negro" no longer be used.



....just saying.

Hey, I can appreciate that, but I think I'd rather go with "the Glenn Beck" designation.

[BluPhire]

Originally Posted by ForeverRoses

I am always surprised to hear of places where race IS in the birth certificates. In Indiana, I know they haven't been on birth certficates from the 1970s onward (I'm not sure of before that, since I haven't seen a certificate from prior to 1971).

Then again, Indiana also did away with the "mother's maiden name" part sometime between 1973 and 2002- now it just reads father's full name, mother's full name.

I had to come in on this thread as well. Last I checked my race wasn't on my birth certificate either. Maybe I need to check it again.

Edit. Maybe because I have the short form. Never had a need to find the long form...if any.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by naraht

The first part of this sentence seems to me to come dangerously close to the argument that it is OK for black people to say nigger, but not for white people to do so.

That is exactly what I'm saying.

And white people can say "honky" (since we're typing stuff out, apparently) or any other derivative all they want to without any confusion or protest on my part.

Originally Posted by naraht

Seriously. Unfortunately, IMO, the term "European-American" has more or less been hijacked by groups that are either Neo-nazi (or close). My kids have ancestry from at least 7 different European Nations with no single nation representing more than a quarter. (Led to some fun issues with the elementary school when they wanted something all the kids to bring something in from the family culture).

That's what ethnic and cultural identities are about. Whiteness as a racial identity essentially became all-inclusive generations ago.

As always, I refer you to Ignatiev's "How the Irish Became White" if you want to understand why and how.

Originally Posted by naraht

Do you disagree with putting race on Birth Certificates then?

Having race on a birth certificate does not mean you are born a particular race. It means that society has assigned a race.

Originally Posted by naraht

Until you can show that in the year 2010 that either a majority of this country or the Policies of the federal government align with those of the KKK, I would appreciate that the term "AmeriKKKa" no longer be used.

AmeriKKKa. You can type "nigger" and act confused over "negro" but I can't type "AmeriKKKa?" That's humorous.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by naraht

Hey, I can appreciate that, but I think I'd rather go with "the Glenn Beck" designation.

I don't think you got where I was going....

Dr. Phil actually said it better.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

So?

What does any of this have to do with whether or not he's a "racist?"

You should've just said he's a product of his environment and avoided the racist/racism issue.

Sigh, dating an african american who helped him through the death of his wife apparently makes him someone who screws the help. Talking fondly of the african american who started him on his career doesn't count one iota toward him not being racist.

If that's your world, I'm just glad I'm not living in it.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by naraht

Sigh, dating an african american who helped him through the death of his wife apparently makes him someone who screws the help. Talking fondly of the african american who started him on his career doesn't count one iota toward him not being racist.

If that's your world, I'm just glad I'm not living in it.

You are living in it.

You could've easily made this woman's racial designation a last consideration. Instead, you volunteered his romp with her as support for why he's not racist and how she loves it when he talks dirty to her "colored negro ass." ( I kid, I kid.)

She's relegated to "an African American who...." and "the African American who...." You did that. He probably did, as well, since an elderly white man dating the help is always an ice breaker. However, I did not do that.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by BluPhire

I had to come in on this thread as well. Last I checked my race wasn't on my birth certificate either. Maybe I need to check it again.

Edit. Maybe because I have the short form. Never had a need to find the long form...if any.

Yup. I learned that from the whole "Birther" wierdness. The short form of the Birth Certificate is what the Obama campaign put up on the website. The long form of the Birth Certificate is what the State of Hawaii considers to be private and inappropriate to release.

Note, when the Birthers got to the point where they were accusing the Republican Governor of Hawaii as being part of the Conspiracy, I started offering them tin-foil hats.