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View Poll Results: Does your chapter haze?
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Yes.
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10-30-2006, 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by sdsuchelle
I personally think its a sign of a weak person to have the attitude "well I went through it, they should have to as well."
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I agree completely.
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10-30-2006, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by PrettyBoy
I'm almost afraid to comment on this one. LOL. Put it this way, Kappa Alpha Psi is a NON HAZING fraternity. Yeah o.k. uh huh.
When I was pledging to be a member of my frat, I do know that XYZ sorority was making their pledges sit on coke bottles for hours. Sometimes late at night after leaving the frat house I would see other XYZ sorority pledges leaving their houses crying. Professors knew who the pledges were, because sleeping in class was the norm during pledging. I saw quite a few pledges in XYZ frat and XYZ sorority who had a hard time sitting down in class too. Must have been a rough paddle night. LOL. They weren't hiding things very well.
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Neither are you.
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10-30-2006, 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by sdsuchelle
That rule is ridiculous! How the heck can you be a secret society, then?! Lame.
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GLOs are not secret societies.
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10-30-2006, 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by sdsuchelle
Absolutely not. I was like, the opposite of hazed.. they showered me with gifts through my whole pledge period.
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ditto.
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10-31-2006, 03:06 AM
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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS
GLOs are not secret societies.
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What I meant by secret was that if seperating pledges from initiated members is considered hazing, there's no way to keep ritual secret. You might as well eliminate the whole new member period.
I consider GLOs secret societies. This is a definition from dictionary.com:
"secret society
an organization, as a fraternal society, the members of which take secret initiation oaths, share secret passwords and rites, and are bound to assist each other."
Unless you're in Delta Upsilon or other GLOs that don't keep anything secret.. umm you're in a secret society.
Last edited by sdsuchelle; 10-31-2006 at 04:00 AM.
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10-31-2006, 03:48 AM
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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS
GLOs are not secret societies.
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Since when? I'm pretty sure that most GLO's would fall under any accepted definition of "secret society."
Unless you're using a definition which is drawn so narrowly that the whole existence of an organization must be secret for it to qualify.
Last edited by GDIfly; 10-31-2006 at 03:53 AM.
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10-31-2006, 09:49 AM
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Well... we painted a rock, made dinner for the sisters (my gramma's sauce recipe and macaroni), painted a banner that said "We love ABC" and learned a song. Is that hazing? Does it matter if a sister helped us?
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10-31-2006, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by GDIfly
Since when?
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Since most of our foundings. We are "societies with secrets."
"Secret societies" don't advertise their organizations and their membership like we have always done. That would negate the purpose of being in a "secret society" in which everything, including membership, is on a "need to know basis."
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10-31-2006, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by sdsuchelle
What I meant by secret was that if seperating pledges from initiated members is considered hazing, there's no way to keep ritual secret. You might as well eliminate the whole new member period.
I consider GLOs secret societies. This is a definition from dictionary.com:
"secret society
an organization, as a fraternal society, the members of which take secret initiation oaths, share secret passwords and rites, and are bound to assist each other."
Unless you're in Delta Upsilon or other GLOs that don't keep anything secret.. umm you're in a secret society.
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I understood what you meant and I already know what the dictionaries say.
I'm sure there are some GLO members, especially some NPHCers, who understand where my distinction is coming from.
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10-31-2006, 10:26 AM
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I think some people feel the need to distinguish between GLOs and Secret Societies (like, I dunno Skull & Bones or something?) because pastors have preached against the latter.
Of course making a distinction is fine, but declaring that GLOs are NOT secret societies when they fit the definition seems silly. Same holds true for any other reason for denying it.
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10-31-2006, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Drolefille
I think some people feel the need to distinguish between GLOs and Secret Societies (like, I dunno Skull & Bones or something?) because pastors have preached against the latter.
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Some people do it because they have experience with actual "secret societies" and the distinction helps to keep it all in perspective. Some people also do it to knock GLO members off of their high horses when they try to act so elite, undercover, and exclusive--as if there aren't thousands of college students walking around with XYZ sweatshirts on. Of course nonmembers aren't allowed to see a lot of stuff, such as ritual, but there are tons of "nonsecret" organizations that don't let nonmembers see the innerworkings.
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Of course making a distinction is fine
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Cool....
Last edited by DSTCHAOS; 10-31-2006 at 10:34 AM.
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11-02-2006, 03:15 PM
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Do we really have to have this conversation, lol...if you would really like to know Hazing is outlawed in most states if not all. But, Discrection in key!!! Iota Phi Theta Fraternity Incorporated is an non-hazing fraternity but we an intake process as most BGLO's and GLO's do.
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11-02-2006, 03:17 PM
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Did you basically just say "you shouldn't haze but just keep it quiet" and "we don't haze but we do" ?
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11-02-2006, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Drolefille
Did you basically just say "you shouldn't haze but just keep it quiet" and "we don't haze but we do" ?
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Im sorry was that for me to reply to?
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11-02-2006, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Drolefille
Did you basically just say "you shouldn't haze but just keep it quiet" and "we don't haze but we do" ?
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That's the impression I got as well.
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